Hurray for the 1108, The RIFed are back !

[B19 Flyer]

That too bad.
We all know your beef with union's, but why do you constantly feel the need to piss in everyone else's cheerios all the time?

Because the unions have pissed in mine too many times.

You may have answered this before I became active here, but do you work for, or are you associated with a fractional now?
If so, in what capacity?

Answered this too many times to bother again.

If not, why not go spout your "wisdom" where you really belong?

:laugh:

You're an idiot, go back to post #157 for my reply.

We all have our opinions. I feel the same of those who force a union on others. But I usually add the word "selfish" to the word idiot when describing them.

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[B19 Flyer]

(except when the pilot performs preflight inspections)

A preflight inspection is unable to see if the work was performed properly. You are still depending that the mechanic did the work correctly.

(except when the pilot gets a fuel sample from the truck)


Who are you kidding, pilots checking fuel samples? That will be the day.


(Honestly, show me a pilot that doesn't review a dispatch release for accuracy?)


How does a pilot know the the data coming from Jeppesen or any other source is correct?

Checking the release is only as good as the data that is on it. Do you trust that data? Do you spend the time to ensure the data on the plates is correct? Who checks the integrity of that data? The pilot? Nope.. a non union worker.


(that a pilot double-checks)

Double check all you want to.. 98% of it pilots are unable to control and need to trust what others have done.


(there are SOOOO many maintenance shops that are non-union right?)


In the corporate world? ahhh.. yeah....


How can you type this and claim to have respect for pilots?


Because I've spent a career protecting pilots, and I'm not blind to the reality of what happens on the line everyday. You fly every day under rules that I've helped to put into place that protect you, whether you believe that or not I don't care. Your union buddies fought against many of those rules.

You are a hypocrite. You bash NJW, and then do the same thing to us (only tenfold).

I don't bash NJW, all I do is point out all the dumb statements she makes because of her second hand knowledge of an industry she doesn't participate in.

I know exactly what I wrote and clarified above.

Look at the accident summaries over the last 5 years and see the fatal accidents where mechanics have misrigged elevators (undectable during preflight) and airport diagrams were inaccurate (undetectable while reviewing a flight release) as I've noted above with factual information.


Re-read your post and think about why pilots need unions to protect them from people like yourself.


People like me are the ones that ensure your life and the pasengers you carry are safe every single day by ensuring the prevention of misrigged elevators and the data in your manuals is accurate. Folks like me that do the stuff pilots can't do and take for granted every day.


If you are seriously in management, I am scared for your pilots.

You have relyed on non-union managment for years fischman with complete ignorance. Why would you stop now?

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[993_Pilot]

We all have our opinions. I feel the same of those who force a union on others...

Nobody has forced a union on anyone, the majority of pilots voted for representation. If the company treated us fairly in the first place, we probably wouldn't have do so.

If you have said what it is that you do so many times, then why is there all the confusion? Go ahead and state it on the record one more time with a little detail, or is there a reason you want everyone still guessing?

 

[dime line]

B19 is a scab and the moderator has even said this was the case

 

[Galaxy]

B19--
I am so glad yo are NOT a pilot. You are married to this idea that unions are bad and refuse to see it from any other side than your own. Even Mr Ricci himself said I can't believe how bad you guys were treated and that if he were a pilot he would have voted in a union too. We all could care less what happened to you at your AIRLINE in the PAST.

The only fact I agree with you on is the fact that unions are slow to act in times of need. That is mostly due to legal issues and mgt issues. Would you want to take a pay cut when mgt asks for it when mgt themselves are having the board (Their friends) vote for a raise? The way I see it if you want cuts then we all get cuts.....Then give it back when the going gets better..but..thats not how mgt acts and reacts..Is it?

Now that thats over...you still sound like an idiot screaming about unions and all this airline talk in a fractional forum. Go to the airline forums they will LOVE you over there.. Isn't it that union that sacked you and make your friend off himself? Your beef is there not here.. I can't find too many pilots in fractionals that don't like the union.. You will find more sympathy in the airline side... Unless it is true you are paid to be here to spread FUD.

Oh and all your crap about non union employees and trip releases and Jepps--what a joke! Do you even understand this industry? How hard is it to ask where, when, what and how? Up until a few years ago We did our own flight plans.. If my Jepps are out of date--I get new ones faxed before I go. That is my responsibility-not some non pilot...Now that they do plan for us we get an alt of 410 for a 250 mile repo. Nice non union job.......I respect the job that they do but they could find a replacement for them and train them within a few weeks or so. To train a pilot off the street will take months after they find a Qualified Pilot.

 

[fischman]

B19,

Yes, I get fuel samples. After 400's started falling out of the sky, I thought it seemed prudent.

Yes, the mechanics at NetJets are unionized. Yes, I check their work.

You have not spent a career protecting pilots. Your career has been for your benefit, not ours. If you REALLY cared about us (ME) you would be more forthcoming. Instead you hide behind half truths and innuendo.

Management by definition is not union B19. Of course I perform the job they pay to do (and more!). That does not mean I trust them or anyone else. Verify, verify, verify is the best way to have a long career in aviation.

Also, you have never flown with me. What would you know what I have or have not done for years? To say so is arrogant and in itself, ignorant. But keep trying. I like the entertaining crap you post.

 

[waka]

Your statements show the complete and utter ignorance you have of the industry and your best role is obviously that of a pilot, because you would fail in any larger or more responsible role where folks like me have been successful.:laugh: :laugh:(sorry, you're a failure and you know it) You clearly don't understand the big picture.

Pilots are needed to fly airplanes, but are only as good as those around them.

You have chosen 232 as an example of brilliant flying, and that is a good thing.

UAL management had a huge role in the outcome of 232, but you ignored and failed to give credit for all the behind the scenes work of UAL flight control and the preparation of Sioux City responders when faced with the impending accident.

Hospitals and doctors were notified by UAL in advance and the responders had an opportunity to be proactive. There was tremendous teamwork on that accident that saved many lives and none of it should be downplayed as you have in your post.

Once again, you show your utter ignorance of how operations actually work. Do you think executives or anyone involved in anti-pilot/anti-union bs at UAL made the preparations on the ground for 232? It was the professionals in operations, not some bean counter or not some wannabe idiot like you. Nevertheless, the professional flight crew on 232 had way more to do with mitigating deaths on that flight......idiot.

You saying you have a larger more responsible role shows even more that you have no place in a professional cockpit. Just keep pushing your pencil, refilling the fax machine and kissing ass. I'm glad you eat too much or whatever you did/your parents gave you to contribute to you losing your medical. Good riddance.

 

[LizardEyes]

It's B19 Flyer and Skanza Ignore Day

Hey guys and gals, Today is ignore the numb nuts from the stone age. Yes it is true, by royal proclamation is is B19 Flyer and Skanza Ignore Day. So go in and put these two idiots on your ignore and after all of us are free from whatever they post you will certainly be free. Trust me since I have ignored these two life is good. By the way, welcome back to the CANPASS and Bloody Friday hostages, Thank you Mat Slinghoff and the leadership of the IBT1108 and to my NETJET brothers and sisters who helped make our union possible.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Do you think executives or anyone involved in anti-pilot/anti-union bs at UAL made the preparations on the ground for 232?

I don't think management was involved and played a key role.

I know management was involved and played a key role.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Hey guys and gals, Today is ignore the numb nuts from the stone age. Yes it is true, by royal proclamation is is B19 Flyer and Skanza Ignore Day. So go in and put these two idiots on your ignore and after all of us are free from whatever they post you will certainly be free. Trust me since I have ignored these two life is good. By the way, welcome back to the CANPASS and Bloody Friday hostages, Thank you Mat Slinghoff and the leadership of the IBT1108 and to my NETJET brothers and sisters who helped make our union possible.

A freaking dream come true.... :laugh: