Hurray for the 1108, The RIFed are back !

[B19 Flyer]

Ahh yes. Another head in the sand. Because we all know there is only one side to the union debate. Just keep yourself uninformed and "ride the coat tails" (to use your term) of an organization the was a short term fix that turned into a long term problem. It's not the 30s anymore, Jeff, Bill, Ray, Matt, Mike, Paul, Scott, Steve, John, etc.. or whoever you guys are.

I prefer the term, "hiding behind the skirt", rather than "riding on the coat tails" Skanza. When I think of them riding, it implies that they are going somewhere. From everything I've seen, they are stagnant and motionless.:bawling:

 

[993_Pilot]

It's too bad that the electoral college doesn't exist for union votes. The union would lose every time.

The electoral college? The electoral college is born of a time long before modern tally methods and good communication. Hell it came before the pony express. Now I am no Al Gore fan, but when someone can win the popular vote, but lose an election, you know there is something wrong with the system... What a Dinosaur that idea is !

 

[Voice Of Reason]

I'm going to need Milton Waddams...I mean, B-19 a/k/a Skeeza to go ahead and move his desk down to the basement.
...(and I'll take that red stapler, thank you)

 

[993_Pilot]

I prefer the term, "hiding behind the skirt", rather than "riding on the coat tails" Skanza. When I think of them riding, it implies that they are going somewhere. From everything I've seen, they are stagnant and motionless.:bawling:

There hasn't been a negotiations report out yet, so how would you have seen anything unless you were sitting at the negotiations table? . . . or are you finally willing to admit that you are BT now?

 

[waka]

I don't think management was involved and played a key role.

I know management was involved and played a key role.

Just keep telling yourself that because you live a life of quiet desperation....in fantasy land.

I will give you one thing. If I lived a miserable existence as you do. I too would seek validation by talking out of my @ss on forums such as these.

 

[B19 Flyer]

There hasn't been a negotiations report out yet, so how would you have seen anything unless you were sitting at the negotiations table? . . . or are you finally willing to admit that you are BT now?

The company has grown in the last 3 years?

 

[B19 Flyer]

The electoral college? The electoral college is born of a time long before modern tally methods and good communication. Hell it came before the pony express. Now I am no Al Gore fan, but when someone can win the popular vote, but lose an election, you know there is something wrong with the system... What a Dinosaur that idea is !

Yeah.. all those US citizens in Wyoming shouldn't have a say in the vote, should they? Yep, let's go to a straight popular vote and let the inner city vote control what happens for everybody. If the electoral college didn't exist, New York, Chicago and LA would be the only place where campaigning would be done. Just what this country needs.

In union elections, only pilots vote on their contract, with complete and total disregard for the rest of the workers in the company or the fallout that will occur otherwise. Pilots get exactly what they ask for, and everybody else suffers as a result.

 

[dime line]

what a moron

 

[waka]

The company has grown in the last 3 years?

What in the hell does that have to do with his question? This is a perfect example of you NEVER have provided a legitimate answer to a question.

Suck on, scab. Suck on.

 

[993_Pilot]

Yeah.. all those US citizens in Wyoming shouldn't have a say in the vote, should they? Yep, let's go to a straight popular vote and let the inner city vote control what happens for everybody. If the electoral college didn't exist, New York, Chicago and LA would be the only place where campaigning would be done. Just what this country needs.

Actually, I do think everyone should have an equal vote, regardless of where they live. Should a Democrat have no say in Texas, or a Republican have no say in California? That is basically what happens with the electoral college. Only two states, Maine and Nebraska, use a tiered system where a single elector is chosen within each Congressional district and two electors are chosen by statewide popular vote. Apparently you think it is a good thing when a parties candidates spend a disproportionate amount of time in the swing states, only do what is needed in the states that their party has locked up, and barely bother with the ones they don't have any hope in! Quite frankly, who cares where they campaign anyways, only a very small percentage of voters actually go see even one of the candidates speak. There is plenty of TV and other media coverage now (Here in 2008), unlike when the system was invented. Like I said before, what a Dinosaur!

In union elections, only pilots vote on their contract, with complete and total disregard for the rest of the workers in the company or the fallout that will occur otherwise. Pilots get exactly what they ask for, and everybody else suffers as a result.

We don't disregard the rest of the workers in the company, we just don't negotiate for them. What fallout? We are not trying to increase the cost to the company for pilot salaries above what our competition is paying... and able to make a profit, I might add. If flight options can't make a profit while paying industry standard wages, then the management isn't doing their job correctly. We are tired of the company using the low paid employees as their way to a profit instead of running the company efficiently.

 

[Options_SLAVE]

In union elections, only pilots vote on their contract, with complete and total disregard for the rest of the workers in the company or the fallout that will occur otherwise. Pilots get exactly what they ask for, and everybody else suffers as a result.

Actually, that's not true. Every employee of an aviation company can unionize. Nothing stopping the dispatchers, mechanics, flight attendants, any of them, if they had half a brain, would unionize so THEY TOO could get exactly what they ask for.

And why the hell should i vote on how much a dispatcher makes? I'm not a dispatcher. I know nothing about what was required to become a dispatcher, nor have I done any research on dispatcher salaries (besides, our dispatchers, most of them, are not licensed anyways and are really phone answerers who are middle men for the schedulers who do all the work - right? Wrong? Am I biased one way or another? Should I be deciding what they should make as a wage?! If I did, hell, maybe I should vote they have a lower salary so I can have a higher one. Fair? HELL no.) Let the dispatchers, who know their line of work a lot better than I do, vote on what their salaries should be.

I certainly do not want a dispatcher voting on how much a pilot should make. His last job was at McDonald's flipping burgers, and he couldn't even spell the word Aileron, let alone tell you what one is. Our salesmen's last job was at Sears selling washers & dryers and refridgerators or lawn mowers, and does not understand what Bournoulli's principle is or how it affects an airplane. Most of our pilots have at least 10 years of pilot experience, most twice that. No one is more qualified to vote on a pilot's contract than the pilots. You just increase your moronic stature with those of us on this board with such statements. And you know what? That's what the RLA says too. Only the people in that unionized work force get to vote on the contract. Don't like it, go see your congressman.

 

[waka]

Trying logic with B19 gives him a short between the headset! Since he is not a pilot, that would be the headset he wears in his cubicle.

 

[brokeflyer]

Sorry about that.

And please, don't call me a rat. :laugh:

I wasnt refering to you brother....