Hurray for the 1108, The RIFed are back !

[dime line]

Hey DA19, revenue and profit are two different things

 

[B19 Flyer]

B19, this is the fractional threads. The fractional industry is NOT the same as the airline industry. Other than the fact that airlines and the frax both fly airplanes, their business models and operations are worlds apart. If you want to rant about airline unions, I suggest you post on the Majors and the LCC/Nationals threads.

Where are the moderators when you really need them?

First, I don't rant... that's Dimeline's job.

I didn't start the direction of this thread in that direction.

You are dead wrong about the two business models being worlds apart. The revenue models are different, but operationally, they are in fact quite simular and require virtually the same infrastucture.

I reject your suggestion as complete garbage.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Hey DA19, revenue and profit are two different things

Without revenue there can be no profit.

I don't see you complaining about the United CBA taking up nearly 30% of the revenue there dimeline...

How's this sound, what's fair is fair, right?

Let's cut both Tilton's payroll by 50% and the pilot labor cost by half that.. let's say.... 25%.

Then, Tilton will only get $20 million, and there will be an additional $1.5 billion from the pilot side gone.

Now UAL will be profitable, won't it?

Drop in the bucket...

 

[dime line]

Power percieved=Power achieved

It might be a drop in the bucket (i do agree)
But the the CEO of yesterday, part of his job was to motovate employes, the CEO of today is doing nothing but screwing employes, while lining his own pocket.


Just because there is revenue, doesnt mean there is profit.

In 2006 Uniteds CEO made more money than the company made that year.

 

[AeroBoy]

First, I don't rant... that's Dimeline's job.

I didn't start the direction of this thread in that direction.

You are dead wrong about the two business models being worlds apart. The revenue models are different, but operationally, they are in fact quite simular and require virtually the same infrastucture.

I reject your suggestion as complete garbage.

That's Ok, Don. I reject everything you say as complete garbage, too.

 

[Galaxy]

All this babble has nothing to do with the thread.. It was about the RIF'd coming back. I am glad they are all back.

As for B19--who cares about UAL. If they go away-We will just airline to our jobs somehow else.

FLOPS is slowly improving..but..we are not even close to life as it was before the cuts.
Hopefully new mgt will come in and fix thing to get back to business. If not....what do I care if another aviation company goes down in the history books.

As for all his other babble.....it is pointless.

 

[993_Pilot]

All this babble has nothing to do with the thread.. It was about the RIF'd coming back. I am glad they are all back.

As for B19. . . all his other babble.....it is pointless.

+1, B19's diatribes gives me a headache! I wish he would go spout his anti-union crap on the majors and/or regionals forums.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Power percieved=Power achieved

It might be a drop in the bucket (i do agree)
But the the CEO of yesterday, part of his job was to motovate employes, the CEO of today is doing nothing but screwing employes, while lining his own pocket.


Just because there is revenue, doesnt mean there is profit.

In 2006 Uniteds CEO made more money than the company made that year.

The AMOUNT was more, but it was spread over several years.

The posted UAL profits would have included his salary as an expense, thus... they still made a profit regardless of what his salary was.

What I think is even more of a challenge though, is how Tilton managed a profit with a 6 billion dollar pilot payroll. To be successful in that challenge alone he should have been rewarded.

 

[B19 Flyer]

How about those 128?

+1, B19's diatribes gives me a headache! I wish he would go spout his anti-union crap on the majors and/or regionals forums.

You wish is not my command though... and I find the 1108 mission to conquer the industry much more fascinating.

First NJ, next the world!!

(of course, they got pushed out of NJ, but that's a whole different type of humor for me)


So, how about those 128, huh?

 

[fischman]

The AMOUNT was more, but it was spread over several years.

The posted UAL profits would have included his salary as an expense, thus... they still made a profit regardless of what his salary was.

What I think is even more of a challenge though, is how Tilton managed a profit with a 6 billion dollar pilot payroll. To be successful in that challenge alone he should have been rewarded.

If you keep throwing darts at the board, eventually you'll hit a bullseye.

I think I might starting to post everything in orange. Don't you think that would be AWESOME?

 

[brokeflyer]

The AMOUNT was more, but it was spread over several years.

The posted UAL profits would have included his salary as an expense, thus... they still made a profit regardless of what his salary was.

What I think is even more of a challenge though, is how Tilton managed a profit with a 6 billion dollar pilot payroll. To be successful in that challenge alone he should have been rewarded.

maybe they should just pay the pilots a dog $hit salary....then they'll make money right?

 

[fischman]

The pilot is the last line of defense in what he can control. He can't control the maintenance done on the airplane(except when the pilot performs preflight inspections), the fuel put into the airplane (except when the pilot gets a fuel sample from the truck), the reliability of the data provided for flight planning (Honestly, show me a pilot that doesn't review a dispatch release for accuracy?) or any of the other myriad of items that are accomplished everyday that make an airplane fly (that a pilot double-checks). For those items, he must rely on the people around him, (those nasty non-union workers) (there are SOOOO many maintenance shops that are non-union right?) as a result.. as I said earlier, the pilot is only the end user.

How can you type this and claim to have respect for pilots? You are a hypocrite. You bash NJW, and then do the same thing to us (only tenfold). Re-read your post and think about why pilots need unions to protect them from people like yourself.

If you are seriously in management, I am scared for your pilots.

 

[dime line]

The AMOUNT was more, but it was spread over several years.

The posted UAL profits would have included his salary as an expense, thus... they still made a profit regardless of what his salary was.

What I think is even more of a challenge though, is how Tilton managed a profit with a 6 billion dollar pilot payroll. To be successful in that challenge alone he should have been rewarded.

So please post how YOU know what the real AMOUNT is and post what the real AMOUNT is

 

[Galaxy]

You wish is not my command though... and I find the 1108 mission to conquer the industry much more fascinating.

First NJ, next the world!!

(of course, they got pushed out of NJ, but that's a whole different type of humor for me)


So, how about those 128, huh?

It has nothing to do with what the name of the union is..1108, NJASAP, Meatpacker union--it doesn't matter. It is the solidarity of the group that makes the union. What does matter is the past and the future. In the past pilots were respected for the position and paid as such. Then.. a new breed of mgt came to town and saw the folks with the most training and experience treated like dirt and the new pilots loved it. No more pay your dues-now it is zero to hero and into a CRJ with next to no experience and will take the job at lower than school bus driver wages. Now the pilots have stood up unified and spoke loud and clear. Pay us what we are worth and define work rules that are fair and safe. If the aviation company of today wishes to operate in the past then they too will become history. The slave labor of aviation has ended. If you can find a company that has no union and that treats its pilots well and pays them like the professionals they are then please list it. You claim to work for one, we can't even imagine who it is other than an imaginary company. My guess is that you are happy but the pilots are there till a better gig comes about.
Stop babbling on and on about airlines.. I could care less about them..all they do is get us to and from our jobs with the most amount of inconvienence and dissatisfaction.
I can't wait till a contract is here and you will reveal yourself to be the F&H Troll that you are and dissappear like Family Guy and the other turds. You have no real horse in this race and you just keep looking like the village idiot more and more with every post.

 

[993_Pilot]

You wish is not my command though...

That too bad.
We all know your beef with union's, but why do you constantly feel the need to piss in everyone else's cheerios all the time?
You may have answered this before I became active here, but do you work for, or are you associated with a fractional now?
If so, in what capacity?
If not, why not go spout your "wisdom" where you really belong?

So, how about those 128, huh?

You're an idiot, go back to post #157 for my reply.