How's those UNIONS working out for ya????

[rigger]

Just Asking......

 

[ProFracPilot]

^^^^^^^ troll alert ^^^^^^

Just sayin'...

 

[jetwash]

Maybe you should ask the 70 guys that were fired in May 2008 and got their jobs back with full back pay.

 

[gunfyter]

Its been awesome for me!

Don't Fly without one.

 

[fischman]

LOVE my Union. Thanks for asking.

 

[jetlag7]

Fantastic for me -- 12 years in this industry and no complaints so far. Thanks for askin'!! :beer:

 

[dime line]

were about to be real good once the contract is voted in.

 

[CA1900]

Really enjoying mine; thanks for your concern. :laugh:

The difference between this job and my previous non-union one is like night and day.

 

[gutshotdraw]

I'll let you know in about 266 days.....

 

[OPECJet]

Been great for me. Continued health benefits, continued legal plan, five figures worth of furlough pay, help finding a new job, paid resume service, paid job board subscriptions, possible financial help should I need it, a great effort in keeping furloughs from happening well over a year ago.

Can't exclude the company either. They gave me my training records and a subscription to JeppView. Wouldn't give me a letter of recommendation, but then again they wouldn't do that for any other pilot either.

If you ask me, they've done a good job when you look at the big picture.

 

[Dooker]

I got mine! I got mine! Yep! I'm okay. Don't know about y'all down there below the waterline but up here on the bridge it sure looks great.

Enjoy that big shiny ship while it still floats, boys!

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

The question is, Hows that union working for you?!?!?!

 

[HazMat]

Dumb thread

 

[Sparse]

possible financial help should I need it,

If you need it, I hope it is possible.

Unions serve their purpose, but mine sold me down the river after I paid them a career full of dues ( 80,000 dollars over 28 years). All I get is a silly magazine. But I will say a union is only as good as it's members. It looks as though the NJ union at least takes care of it's people.

 

[Jack Campbell]

My UNION is fantastic! My Company WAS run poorly and now is being run very well.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Bloomberg

Wrecking U.S. Economy Didn’t Start With Labor: Harry J. Holzer

March 02, 2010, 9:15 PM EST Commentary by Harry J. Holzer
March 3 (Bloomberg) -- Conservatives are attacking labor unions and President Barack Obama’s relationship with them. The charges? Unions are corrupt and engage in “thuggery”; they destroy jobs and the economy; and Obama is increasingly “in the tank for the labor movement” and has ruined his signature initiatives by kowtowing to them.
A lightning rod for many of these attacks has been Obama’s nomination of Craig Becker to the National Labor Relations Board. Becker is a highly respected labor lawyer with a distinguished career. Can’t conservatives disagree with him without calling him “radical” or his appointment “obscene”?
For decades, Republican appointees to the board have weakened the laws protecting workers who want to organize. The balance in current law to which conservatives are so committed has tilted the playing field in favor of management -- the precise reason why they are so enamored of the legal status quo.
Some argue that a few pro-union provisions (such as “Buy American” requirements) ruined the stimulus package, which Obama should have vetoed in response. But, whatever the merits of those provisions, most economists -- including Mark Zandi, an adviser to Republican Senator John McCain -- say the stimulus package helped jumpstart an economic recovery and created or saved millions of jobs. Conservatives shouldn’t sacrifice those gains because of a few small provisions favorable to unions.
‘Death Panels’
And the notion that a single pro-union provision in the Senate health-care bill destroyed its public support is silly. Clearly, Republican demagoguery about the bill -- including charges of “death panels” and “socialized medicine” -- were vastly more destructive to public support than the exemption from the “Cadillac tax” for union members.
Conservatives are very upset about union financial contributions to the Democrats and Obama. But they aren’t so outraged at the enormous reliance of Republicans on contributions from the business sector and the wealthy. And when George W. Bush’s administration rewarded these contributors with huge tax cuts that were never paid for and that wiped out our nation’s fiscal balance, they didn’t seem to be so troubled.
A lot is written about union corruption, especially among the Teamster. But whatever sins some Teamsters have committed, tarring the entire movement with such charges because of one union is akin to claiming all business leaders are corrupt due to Bernard Madoff. “Thuggery” and violence are prominent parts of American labor history, but most of it has been perpetrated by employers and their cronies against pro-union workers.
Complex Relationship
Perhaps the weakest of these arguments are those on unions and the economy: Unions invariably lead to lower employment, higher rates of business failure, and lower economic growth. Economic analysis implies a complex relationship between union wages and employment. It depends on a range of things, including how competitive the markets are in which the company operates; how flexible its production techniques and locations are; how collective bargaining affects workers’ skills and productivity as well as management’s human-resource policies; and the strength of demand for workers in the nonunion sector.
If markets are less than fully competitive, if alternative modes of production are limited, if unions generate more skilled and productive workers, or if nonunion demand is strong enough to absorb any workers displaced by unions, economic analysis predicts unions won’t reduce employment by very much or at all.
Unions Reduce Inequality
For decades, economists have researched these issues, and a substantial body of evidence has emerged. Without a doubt, unions raise the wages and benefits of their workers and tend to reduce economic inequality. The increase in economic inequality in America over the past three decades was at least partially caused by the decline in private-sector union coverage.
Beyond that, evidence shows unions reduce costly worker turnover, raise the skill levels of employees, and often lead to more productivity. And any negative union effects on employment or economic growth in the U.S. and abroad are mostly modest.
Unions aren’t to blame for recent firm closures and bankruptcies. Richard Freeman, of Harvard University, and Morris Kleiner, of the University of Minnesota, found no statistical effect of unionization on corporate-bankruptcy rates in a 1994 study. The U.S. economy destroys and creates millions of jobs each year, with tens of thousands of establishments closing and opening, often in the same industries. Little of this is driven by unions.
As an economist, I don’t always agree with America’s union movement, the American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations, and I wouldn’t argue that union actions are always beneficial or costless. But a sensible discussion requires a careful, dispassionate look at the theory and evidence on unions -- rather than right-wing ideology and stereotypes dressed up as analysis.
(Harry J. Holzer is a professor of public policy at Georgetown University and a former chief economist at the U.S. Labor Department.

 

[OHGOON]

Ah what does he know......

My favorite of them all is....the UAW is solely responsible for the failures of the US Auto Industry....in other words, the fact that the US Brands haven't managed to build a car worth owning in 25+ years can be singularly traced back to the "bloated" paycheck of the guy responsible for screwing on the bumper....lol

The conservative wing-nuts populating many television and radio studios have managed to raise the noise level about unions to such a cacophonous level that many workers who would otherwise clearly benefit from unionization have come to believe that unions are "bad" for them.

Now that is a true propaganda success that Joseph Goebbels would indeed admire.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The Strict Father Role model... from Bush/Cheney being their Daddy to corporations being amoral thus can do no wrong... the conservative have it all sewn up...

 

[acpilot]

Now that is a true propaganda success that Joseph Goebbels would indeed admire.

Oh, I get it! They're Nazi's!

 

[JungleJett]

If you need it, I hope it is possible.

Unions serve their purpose, but mine sold me down the river after I paid them a career full of dues ( 80,000 dollars over 28 years). All I get is a silly magazine. But I will say a union is only as good as it's members. It looks as though the NJ union at least takes care of it's people.

ALPA is not a union but a place for a few select pilots to go and retire under the guise of doing "union" work.

 

[wacoflyr]

ALPA is not a union but a place for a few select pilots to go and retire under the guise of doing "union" work.

You are correct. I would also suggest that they eat their young.

 

[Helmsalee]

And sometimes their old.
Helm

 

[Fozzy]

Union is doing what it is supposed to be. Providing job security and protection. The best bet I have ever made.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Union is doing what it is supposed to be. Providing job security and protection. The best bet I have ever made.

Unions?

Job Security? There are a lot of pilots at NJ that probably don't agree with that right about now. The union turned their backs on them.

And it's not done yet... One more furlough where the union won't protect them and then the contract will be opened.

 

[brokeflyer]

Unions?

Job Security? There are a lot of pilots at NJ that probably don't agree with that right about now. The union turned their backs on them.

And it's not done yet... One more furlough where the union won't protect them and then the contract will be opened.

I agree, there shouldn't be a union here or anywhere else in aviation.

You b19, being in management, are the only one who can change that.

so will you please?

 

[skanza]

Union is doing what it is supposed to be. Providing job security and protection. The best bet I have ever made.

Here we go with the job security. This can't be done with a union organization. Many, many factors play into the security of your employment. Most of which can't be controlled with the union. Sure, they may keep you employed if the company gets into trouble, but if the company is failing, they're only prolonging and making the inevitable worse. Plus, the union may even contribute to the problems a company may have: work stoppage, strikes, and other dishonest maneuvers that are done in the spirit of 'standing together'. It's all bull$hit.
And protection? From what? Oh yeah, the big mean management guy that owns/runs the company and just wants to use you as slave labor. Come on, that crap is so out-dated. That kind of stuff only happens in third world countries..you know, like where your shoes were made...

Try relying on yourself to provide job security and protection through honest, safe work and good career decisions and leave the dues-collecting union fools out of it...

 

[brokeflyer]

Here we go with the job security. This can't be done with a union organization. Many, many factors play into the security of your employment. Most of which can't be controlled with the union. Sure, they may keep you employed if the company gets into trouble, but if the company is failing, they're only prolonging and making the inevitable worse. Plus, the union may even contribute to the problems a company may have: work stoppage, strikes, and other dishonest maneuvers that are done in the spirit of 'standing together'. It's all bull$hit.
And protection? From what? Oh yeah, the big mean management guy that owns/runs the company and just wants to use you as slave labor. Come on, that crap is so out-dated. That kind of stuff only happens in third world countries..you know, like where your shoes were made...

Try relying on yourself to provide job security and protection through honest, safe work and good career decisions and leave the dues-collecting union fools out of it...

you're right about all that. Only management can fix it though.

 

[gunfyter]

Unions?

Job Security? There are a lot of pilots at NJ that probably don't agree with that right about now. The union turned their backs on them.

And it's not done yet... One more furlough where the union won't protect them and then the contract will be opened.

What BS!

I'll bet there isn't even ONE pilot at NJ that agrees with you.

But there are probably hundreds of at-will employees that wish they had a union!

 

[FLYLOW22]

Union is a good thing for us.

Thanks.

 

[CA1900]

Here we go with the job security. This can't be done with a union organization....

Sure it can. The most important thing it can do is ensure that, if a furlough or layoff is necessary, it is done fairly. I've seen companies lay pilots off based not on their seniority, or even on job performance, but on the equipment they happen to be flying. Management wanted to get rid of a particular fleet, and if you happened to be on it, you were canned. That's bullsh** no matter how you slice it.

And protection? From what? Oh yeah, the big mean management guy that owns/runs the company and just wants to use you as slave labor.

Yeah, a company would never do anything sleazy or improper; only those big, bad unions. I distinctly remember the chief pilot at my last company calling me at home, demanding to know why I delayed a 7am departure out of our Albany hub.

I replied, "We needed to use the bathroom and grab something to eat, and it's a scheduled 10-minute turn. The hotel breakfast starts an hour after our showtime, so this was our first opportunity."

The chief pilot's reply? "You have a 3-hour break in the afternoon. You can eat breakfast and lunch then." I'm dead serious; that's what he said.

That kind of BS is why pilots unionize.

Try relying on yourself to provide job security and protection through honest, safe work and good career decisions and leave the dues-collecting union fools out of it...

Tried that. Didn't work. The union job is much, much better.