How To Pre-flight A Flops B.j.

[skyismyoffice]

I saw one of our koolaid drinkers this rotation and the hydraulic fluid on his reversers would have any ramp check fed freaked out. Please you are not doing anyone any favors by flying around in broken crap. You are not doing the passengers a favor, you are not doing the company a favor and most of all you are not doing yourself or your family a favor.

I am sure this person doesn't come to this board but he knows who he is.

Last I checked all the aircraft in our fleet require 2 pilots. Sounds like 2 Koolaid drinkers. We really have to start holding these jackasses accountable. I hope you applied appropriate force?

 

[fischman]

you guys are killn me. looking for this kind of crap so you can cancel a trip. I wouldnt give you raise either.

Would you rather them fly a broken airplane? Is it not part of the job to report problems with the aircraft? If you ask me, these guys DESERVE the raise for finding these items in order for the company to be able to fix it.

Here's my opinion. I fly a Citation Ultra for NJA. This airplane is nice but compared to other airframes we have in our fleet, it is nothing spectacular (X, G200, DA2000, H4000, GIV, GV). Our owners spend AMAZING amounts of money to fly on my aircraft, so I want them to have the BEST experience possible. That means writing up issues with the airplanes that you might find "trivial."

You are not doing ANYBODY any favors by letting issues you find unacceptable slide by. Do the right thing. DON'T FLY BROKEN AIRPLANES.

 

[fischman]

What a bunch of seagulls. Grounding an airplane cause your n1 gauge has the decimal point missing.
That'll show'em. Unions..........always bite'n the hand that feeds ya.

What does the Union have to do with completing a good pre-flight inspection?

The Union will be able to protect a pilot from having to fly an un-airworthy ship when a dirt-bag manager tries to force them.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds ya! Do you think the pilot you are asking to do an illegal flight might have helped you earn that fat management check??? Are you going to back him up if he gets ramped by the FAA? Are you going to support his family if he gets killed?

Disclaimer: I am not calling the managers at NJA dirt-bags. As a matter of fact, I have NEVER been asked to fly an illegal aircraft. Love ya guys!:beer:

 

[guido411]

Bump

We owe it to HIG to make sure we run a safe and legal operation.

 

[nomore]

A little bird told me

There are 140 wheel blankets on back order. Options is down to 4 left.

 

[nomore]

this is needed

bumpity bump bump

 

[skanza]

There are 140 wheel blankets on back order. Options is down to 4 left.

So go ahead and poke your pen into them and write it up...just make sure you look over your shoulder first...

Bump that.

 

[dime line]

So go ahead and poke your pen into them and write it up...just make sure you look over your shoulder first...

Bump that.

We fly the oldest fleet of BJ's. NO need to poke a pen in them. There probably already broken

 

[skyismyoffice]

I agree - "Nothing illegal for or against the company." Our planes are tired and our mechanics are fed up and leaving the company as fast as the pilots. Management can think whatever they want about our pilot group, but we ain't breaking the planes, they're breaking themselves.

 

[Hobbes]

So go ahead and poke your pen into them and write it up...just make sure you look over your shoulder first...

Bump that.

Yeah...don't do that. You do something like that and you bring yourself down to the level of the oppression you seek to repel. Stand tall, operate by the FAR's, be honest. That is all it will take to throw off the mantle of this oppression. The deceit and lack of integrity of this management core cannot stand up to the light of truth.

{that is why you see a company that has no company message board anymore - it insulates the types of pilots they want to keep the truth from - it insulates the OCC employees they wish to keep in the dark, etc. That is why you have a company where information is routinely hidden from the flight crews instead of shared openly. Think about the REASONS why this company hides information}

 

[SilverSurfer]

Right and Wrong

So go ahead and poke your pen into them and write it up...just make sure you look over your shoulder first...

Bump that.

Brother I can't express how wrong I think you are here. There is a right way to accomplish out mission and a wrong way. What you suggest here is very wrong. This old junk we fly gives us more the ample opportunity to legally write them up. We do not have to resort to sabotage to accomplish our goals. As it has been said over and over again do nothing legal or illegal for or against the company.

Do it the right way...clean...don't lower yourself to the level of the sh!tbags that run this company. One day they will be gone and many of us will still be here. When we look back at this fight lets be able to hold our heads up with pride for what we accomplished.

 

[skanza]

Brother I can't express how wrong I think you are here. There is a right way to accomplish out mission and a wrong way. What you suggest here is very wrong. This old junk we fly gives us more the ample opportunity to legally write them up. We do not have to resort to sabotage to accomplish our goals. As it has been said over and over again do nothing legal or illegal for or against the company.

Do it the right way...clean...don't lower yourself to the level of the sh!tbags that run this company. One day they will be gone and many of us will still be here. When we look back at this fight lets be able to hold our heads up with pride for what we accomplished.

"Brother", I wasn't suggesting that at all, because that's...well, sh!tbag low like you said. But everyone knows that this happens. An airplane will fly good until a pro-union, anti-management crew gets to it and all of the sudden, things are broken that weren't before. You'll probably say "the previous crew missed these *unsafe* things, therefore we are the superior ones", but come on, it's all subjective. Noboby knows exactly what happens to an aircraft except for those who are with the airplane (e.g. crew, MX, pax, etc...). Yes, a pilot and mechanic should operate IAW the FARs, but they are, like all laws, subject to interpretation, and if one is union-biased, well then those are some strict, the-airplane-has-to-be-like-bran-new-before-I-fly-it laws!
I know I'll be hated for this post but aren't we all haters deep inside??

 

[Fedmagnet]

Nothing Illegal for or Against the Company

There is no need to sell your sole as Flops management has and all their recruited azz kissin butt monkeys have.
Flops trys to intimidate pilots on a daily basis to ignore the maintenance discrepancies that they have found and will try to convince them that they are mistaken and have them second guess their professionalism.
Flops has recruited the same culture in it's maintenance facilities, placing grounding items on a MEL or MDL is despicable. The mechanics that refused to go along has left and others are leaving fast. They cannot get a mechanic to come to work here so they hire sub-contract mechanics. The intimidation will be worse with the sub-contract mechanics, "drink the kool-aid or we have you removed by a phone call to the contractor".

 

[Fedmagnet]

Sorry,
I forgot to contribute to the thread:
1. Make sure the O-Ring on the oil dipstick is not broken or missing.
2. Excessive play in the trim tabs linkages on the rudder is not good.

Oh!.. and until management and maintenance gets right, study your Engines Out procedures (be ready). This is now found in the Flops Beechjet Normal Procedures Checklist. :laugh:

 

[EdAtTheAirport]

What's a wheel blanket?

 

[skyismyoffice]

Its a mylar covered heat shield in each wheel well. Keeps heat from the hydraulics away from the wall of the wheel well (fuel tank on the other side).

 

[Mr. Magoo]

Wheel Wells?!?!?!? How do you check that? The fatties I used to fly with wouldn't fit under the wheel wells.

 

[FR8DOG777]

you are a management clown

"Brother", I wasn't suggesting that at all, because that's...well, sh!tbag low like you said. But everyone knows that this happens. An airplane will fly good until a pro-union, anti-management crew gets to it and all of the sudden, things are broken that weren't before. You'll probably say "the previous crew missed these *unsafe* things, therefore we are the superior ones", but come on, it's all subjective. Noboby knows exactly what happens to an aircraft except for those who are with the airplane (e.g. crew, MX, pax, etc...). Yes, a pilot and mechanic should operate IAW the FARs, but they are, like all laws, subject to interpretation, and if one is union-biased, well then those are some strict, the-airplane-has-to-be-like-bran-new-before-I-fly-it laws!
I know I'll be hated for this post but aren't we all haters deep inside??

That's a great idea about the pen thing. I will place it next to my kit of burned out light bulbs, and pocket knife that I use to cut the tire down to the chord. I was offended by you even insinuating that any of our pilots would do this. But I can tell you are deeply offended that the majority of our pilots refuse to fly with open discrepancies that management would intimidate us to do like days of old. Go back and crawl under your desk management troll. No need to accelerate our company ending up a smoking hole in the ground, you and our senior leaders are doing a fine job all by yourselves. Good day

 

[FR8DOG777]

newbies please read

just when I THOUGHT THIS THREAD WAS LOSING MOMENTUM IT POPPED UP AGAIN

 

[FR8DOG777]

#51 step on smoke goggles and take a paid vacation.