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[Praetorian]

It is no secret how hard they avoid properly fixing their airplanes and that the bottom line in their operation is the bottom line, and NOT doing maintenance properly. They have a BAD reputation amongst professional pilots who know what it means to have integrity and do things right.

This is pure BS. It might have been true once upon a time, but not since about a year after the union was voted in.

If this is your perception and you work at Flight Options, it is now your job to change this. Now that we have a contract there is no excuse not to see to it personally that our aircraft are maintained properly. I'm not talking about vindictiveness, but you now have contractually protected professional responsibilities.

This is also why I will never put my family in the back of a plane flown by non-union pilots. Without a just-cause provision, who knows what they've been pressured into doing.

 

[B19 Flyer]

think about it.

If I always give you the answers, you'll never learn anything.

Broke, you have no answers. Your union always fought your battles for you and because of that, your career was always what your union made you do and you blindly accepted what the contract required. You were always at the mercy of the contract, your union dues and your union leaders. You have no thoughts of your own and your posts have consistently proved that.

Those of us working non-union have chosen to make our own decisions about our careers. We don't need no stinkin' unions to guide our careers.

 

[B19 Flyer]

ok ok....now i just feel sorry for you.

it means, trying to pay a crap wage won't get you a professional pilot. Quite the opposite in fact. You get what you pay for.

Broke, you just spit on the face of every professional pilot in the industry. A decent wage and lifestyle is up to the individual, not the union. Pilots and employees choosing to keep a union off the property don't want the BS that you accept as normal. It's a choice. What you consider a "sacrifice" in wages is considered a benefit for the freedom of living union free. What you consider a "crap" wage might be perfectly fine for somebody else and in no way compromises the skill of the pilot because they choose to be union-free.

 

[wacoflyr]

This is also why I will never put my family in the back of a plane flown by non-union pilots. Without a just-cause provision, who knows what they've been pressured into doing.

Hey, thanks for the slap. Please may I have another? I don't belong to a union. I would be happy to tell you to your face that any plane I fly not only meets the letter of the law, but it also contains a content, rested, competent pilot who is determined to come home to his family at the end of the week. Have I ever been pressured? Yes, although not with my present employer. Did I yield? Of course not. I told him I was PIC, and that was the end of the story. I don't need a union to back me up. Just what kind of spine are you using there? Clearly it's not your own.

I respect my fellow pilots who are unionized. I understand that management brought it on. Please respect those of us who work for companies that avoided unions by treating us like humans. Oh, and B19, you have still not learned to see both sides of an argument. That's ok, my eight year old daughter is working on the same issue.

 

[brokeflyer]

Broke, you just spit on the face of every professional pilot in the industry. A decent wage and lifestyle is up to the individual, not the union. Pilots and employees choosing to keep a union off the property don't want the BS that you accept as normal. It's a choice. What you consider a "sacrifice" in wages is considered a benefit for the freedom of living union free. What you consider a "crap" wage might be perfectly fine for somebody else and in no way compromises the skill of the pilot because they choose to be union-free.

well no one really cares what you think. if you weren't such an azz hole about it, im sure people would listen to you, even if it was to disagree. Attitude goes miles in this business and your's is very poor.

I find it very poor taste to negatively comment about anything I say, after all, i was a check airman on the space shuttle and wrote part 91k.

i accept your surrender and your apology.

 

[dime line]

Broke, you have no answers.

Oh and I see that you have all the answers.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Oh and I see that you have all the answers.

I don't have the answers. All I have is ongoing examples of how unions have continually failed their brethren by making promises they couldn't keep.

 

[B19 Flyer]

well no one really cares what you think. if you weren't such an azz hole about it, im sure people would listen to you, even if it was to disagree. Attitude goes miles in this business and your's is very poor.

I find it very poor taste to negatively comment about anything I say, after all, i was a check airman on the space shuttle and wrote part 91k.

i accept your surrender and your apology.

I don't have a poor attitude Broke, and my response to your surrender demand is "NUTS". :nuts: (right out of the WWII history books)

I'm not the one telling other people that what you consider a crap wage will get them a substandard pilot.

I'm saying that it doesn't take a large paycheck to be a good pilot, nor does it take a union.


That isn't a bad attitude, it's an honest attitude that you just don't seem to get. Oh, and while I'm at it... I did work with real space shuttle training personnel, and they were all about being professional. They made their career choices because they did what they wanted to do, not because it paid alot. As far as 91K, I was part of the work group, I never said I wrote it like you have, but I was honestly involved.

Oh, and union pilots DO care what you say, it's a reflection on the union way of thinking. Real people who love the industry don't because they've seen the damage that unions have done.

 

[brokeflyer]

ok, i'm the guy writing the procedures for the first mars landing. And I designed the GPS system. What else you got?

take note all, this is the best part.

It's so funny watching you get upset about all this.

If you dont like unions, only YOU can change it. Not me.

think about it.

 

[skanza]

And that is YOUR opinion. You are free to have it. Personally, I feel the operation at Flops should be stalled not for reasons of labor woes, but to get them to start fixing their airplanes correctly. Go ahead, this won't get you into any trouble - I dare ya... It is no secret how hard they avoid properly fixing their airplanes and that the bottom line in their operation is the bottom line, and NOT doing maintenance properly. You need to provide specific examples of this in order to make such an intense statement. Otherwise, it just shows how little you know about the mx performed on our airplanes. They have a BAD reputation amongst professional pilots who know what it means to have integrity and do things right. Oh riiigggght, and grounding an airplane to make a point about your dissatisfaction with the mx performed shows much more integrity and professionalism than going about it through the proper channels. Especially when you approach an airplane on day 1 with the intent if seeing how you can ground it because you're "upset" instead of intending to fly it safely like you were hired to do....

I wish them the best with their new contract and hope the pilots and company will reap many rewards going forward.

fly safe