How to get the union on property!

[FLYLOW22]

And if you end up being rated as a Brown Noser in good standing, you get an extra gold star by your name.

Get 5 of them and you are a REAL 5 STAR PILOT!!! Yeaaaaah!!!

Good old boy system. It's ripe for corruption.

 

[Hawkered]

The bottom line is if you guys are flying vendor operations for Netjets, or any of the fractionals, you really deserve a raise too! I mean, if you've got over thirty people on staff, you should really unionise.

Get the mechanics, pilots, flight attendants and ramp agents altogether and I'm sure you could come up with some convincing arguments for improvements in salary and working conditions.

There is an operator advertising right now for a Hawker captain at $60k, and working 12 on/ 2 off!!

Guys c'mon! Don't sell your soul to the devil! The aircraft is brand new and purchased at almost 13 million!

 

[finnjl]

Well, don't be bashful, speak up. What airlines are you referring to?


Better yet, let's just consider. This is the fractionals forum. Net Jets has by far the best working conditions of all the fractionals and is by far the best-paid... and the reason why is because of Local 1108. Their contract has forced the rest of the fractionals to step up and try to match them, but no one's come close.

AirNet- Non union - great company to work for
ASA - union - ok company to work for
Pinnacle - union - terrible company to work for

Threat of the union is better than a union anyday as was the case when I worked at AirNet. I imagine the local 1108 is much better than ALPA. As with anything there are Pros and cons.

 

[Guitar rocker]

AirNet- Non union - great company to work for
ASA - union - ok company to work for
Pinnacle - union - terrible company to work for

Threat of the union is better than a union anyday as was the case when I worked at AirNet. I imagine the local 1108 is much better than ALPA. As with anything there are Pros and cons.

The threat of Craig Washka giving you a checkride was terrible. I'm sure times have changed, but what a screamer.

 

[netjetwife]

Any union is only as good as the members are committed.

Any union is only as effective as the members are determined.

Any union is only a strong union when its members stand united.

 

[NavytoCivy]

Hello all. I’ve been reading along for awhile, but this is my first post. I felt compelled to put in my two cents.
I’m not trying to spark a debate with a planted Union Rep or anyone like that because, regardless of who’s right or wrong, you can’t win. I find it frustrating when someone posts an honest question or comment, only to be massacred and drowned out with union jargon and personal “you’re so ignorant” attacks. I can only speak from my experience which is more than some and less than others. I’ve been flying for CS for a while now and, honestly, it’s a great place to work. That’s the bottom line. If you read through the posts, most of the people who actually work here say something similar. I’m happy with the pay, the benefits and I truly enjoy the professionals I work with - both on the flightline and in the office. I’m happy with how fast I was promoted and yes, I even like my Supervisor. I’ve flown for others and I feel there’s value in enjoying where you work and feeling like being part of a big team. For me, that makes up for the $1-2K more a year that another company might offer – and I don’t even know that they do.
It’s true we are very busy, but that’s because we are good. I see busy as a good thing - I love to fly, it’s why I became a pilot. Contrary to what some have said, I’m not just a number here. I feel that what some refer to as the “Good ole Boys Club” others would consider the “Being Recognized for Doing a Good Job Club”. Personally, that’s the club I want to be in. Personally, I don’t need the Union to negotiate my pay - for a fee. Or protect me - for a fee. Or stand between me and my Supervisor – for a fee. Or to negotiate anything “on my behalf” (for a fee) by making my company and offer they can’t refuse. This isn’t 1930. If someone sexually harasses me, I have options. If I am unfairly passed up for promotion or fired unjustly, I have options. It’s 2006 – I’ll sue em. If my complaint is legitimate, I retire!
I guess my long-winded point is… I like it here at CitationShares as it is and don’t want or need any Union representation.

 

[miles otoole]

f U D

 

[miles otoole]

I guess my long-winded point is… I like it here at CitationShares as it is and don’t want or need any Union representation.

What can possibly be wrong with this?

 

[netjetwife]

When pilots feel that their needs are met and their interests are represented, there will probably be little interest in changing things. I don't think the focus is on CS right now, but, in the future, should your fellow pilots ask for a vote, surely you wouldn't have a problem with letting the majority decide? Many pilots think that your contentment is tied to the size of the company and believe that will change for the worse as CS grows larger. As no one can say, isn't it best to remain open-minded where unions are concerned? I don't think you'd feel as you do if you had gone through what the NJ pilots have. 1108 raised the bar for fractional pilot wages. You do recognize that, don't you?

 

[miles otoole]

I don't think the focus is on CS right now

Which focus is this and from whom?