How to get the union on property!

[Hawkered]

One of those pay for training outfits that are little more than day care centers for spoilt rich kids. That's the only non-unionised "airline". One of them is run by a bunch of Eastern Scabs.

 

[netjetwife]

Sweatshop? NJA? How did I miss that?! Here I was thinking it was pilots at a NON-union company working more days than the NJ pilots. Do feel free to explain it to me Trash. I promise to pay close attention... While you're at it, could you go over the grievance system with me, because I could have sworn that I heard lots of NJ pilots made a big chunk of money standing up for their rights. I'm sooo confused ...??...I know my husband told me that we got over $1000 from the settlement.

You are so right, Trash. I really must find out how that could have happened in a sweatshop. Does this mean I have to change my name? Sweatshopwife? Ohhh, say it isn't so, Trash! It doesn't sound nearly as good and besides I don't have a t-shirt to match that name.
NJW/SSW

PS Fractrash, should you find this post over the top, bring your own back to earth and I promise to stick to reality myself.

 

[Guitar rocker]

One of those pay for training outfits that are little more than day care centers for spoilt rich kids. That's the only non-unionised "airline". One of them is run by a bunch of Eastern Scabs.

I couldnt agree more!

 

[Humphreybogart]

It is unfortunate that companies manage their employees so poorly that it results in unions. That is the sole reason unions exist, is poor management. If it weren't for poor management, a union would never get voted in, that is a simple fact, and even anti-union web sites state that.

You are telling the truth here. I talked to a few FLOPS people on the road and they felt very betrayed by what their management did to them. In my experience, whenever I worked for a union shop, there alyways seemed to be a battle somewhere. I guess the FLOPS management is ready to go to war with the possible intrusion of the union there. Too bad they(management) wern't more timely in answering the raises of CS and NJ. They had to know it was happening last summer. Good Luck.

 

[Humphreybogart]

Give it time. Things were good at RTA & Options at one point too. It all means nothing without a contract. I'll tell you why you would want the 1108, to solidify that compensation package and other QOL items that make you happy to work at CS.

I would be willing to bet that in a couple years you will wake up one day and realise that things are not so peachy for you anymore. Management WILL take things away, one by one so it isn't all that noticeable at first.

But I congratulate you on your raise and I HOPE that you can hold on to it. Thing is that is all you really have...HOPE.

This is true also. However, I hope our management still takes care of us as we grow larger. I think they will, but time will tell.

 

[Humphreybogart]

Bogart, let me ask you this...........at CS , is it possible to upgrade, even though there are those who are more senior than you and awaiting an upgrade as well??? Such being the case, doesnt that spark some animosity from those in line to upgrade and who are senior to a junior "go the extra mile" guy??? How many people are involved in the decision whether someone upgrades??? What if one of those people consistently shoots down an FO who bids captain becuase of a previous run in???? I am only curious. As you know, our system is simple.........bid it, hold it, get it and the rest is up to you.

Answer 1: Yes
Answer 2: Sometimes, people know where the stand in the upgrade line.
Answer 3: About 6-7
Answer 4: They will upgrade, but it may take a month or two longer.

 

[hydrarkt]

How do you even install and monitor a merit system in an organization with hundreds or thousands of pilots who are spread out all over the country and may never even see management face to face? It seems to me that the person who excels in that situation may be one who is unsafe, will fly a "questionable" airplane, fly over duty limits or fly in a situation which some other pilots will not.
In our business a pilot being evaluated on "merit" is suspect. It is also unsafe. At NJA there are no "checkmarks" or "brownie points" if I carry a maintenance item to the next airport instead of writing it up. There are no "brownie points" if I take off in conditions which prevent others from taking off. There are no "brownie points" if I fly over 14 hours of duty.
How do you evaluate pilots in your "merit system?" Sounds like a "kiss ass" system.

 

[realityman]

Okay, I'll bite too. Bogart, how, exactly, does the merit system work? This is not flamebait or sarcasm. I would honestly like to know. Mainly, does CS have anything printed? Kinda like practical test standards. Do you know exactly what you have to do to be considered for the upgrade? Does the company spell it out for you? Is it attitude? If so, how does your company management judge the attitude of pilots they may never ever meet face-to-face? Is it getting the job done? Do they take into consideration if you flew a broken airplane or not? And would that be considered a good thing or a bad thing? Does it involve one pilot "ratting" out another? (ie. I just flew a tour with Mr. xxxxxxx and he never once volunteered to help load bags or serve our passengers). If you routinely agree to fly past normal duty limits, does that count for or against you? In other words, do you honestly know how the merit system works at CS?
Sure, I'm a Netjets pilot. But seriously, I'm all for learning other systems. It's just that you've been telling how good the merit system is, but haven't really explained how it works.

 

[Humphreybogart]

How do you even install and monitor a merit system in an organization with hundreds or thousands of pilots who are spread out all over the country and may never even see management face to face? It seems to me that the person who excels in that situation may be one who is unsafe, will fly a "questionable" airplane, fly over duty limits or fly in a situation which some other pilots will not.
In our business a pilot being evaluated on "merit" is suspect. It is also unsafe. At NJA there are no "checkmarks" or "brownie points" if I carry a maintenance item to the next airport instead of writing it up. There are no "brownie points" if I take off in conditions which prevent others from taking off. There are no "brownie points" if I fly over 14 hours of duty.
How do you evaluate pilots in your "merit system?" Sounds like a "kiss ass" system.

Seems like everything you're mentioning as "brownie points" are actually breaking the regulations, and I hope that NO pilot no matter what company they worked for would do anything like that. It's a matter of safety, at CS, we would never be asked to do anything like that. I'm sure that doesn't happen at NJ either. If someone were to do it, I would think that it would be a negative act on their part not to mention irresponsible. What do you think?

 

[Humphreybogart]

Okay, I'll bite too. Bogart, how, exactly, does the merit system work? This is not flamebait or sarcasm. I would honestly like to know. Mainly, does CS have anything printed? Kinda like practical test standards. Do you know exactly what you have to do to be considered for the upgrade? Does the company spell it out for you? Is it attitude? If so, how does your company management judge the attitude of pilots they may never ever meet face-to-face? Is it getting the job done? Do they take into consideration if you flew a broken airplane or not? And would that be considered a good thing or a bad thing? Does it involve one pilot "ratting" out another? (ie. I just flew a tour with Mr. xxxxxxx and he never once volunteered to help load bags or serve our passengers). If you routinely agree to fly past normal duty limits, does that count for or against you? In other words, do you honestly know how the merit system works at CS?

I didn't think that this would be so interesting to you NJ guys. We fly periodically with standards captains, and they evaluate us on our performance throughout our tour. Yes they have a report they file on us after every tour. It is then sent to our assigned Asst. Chief Pilot. who recommends us, for an upgrade,based on the reports over the year. Don't ask what they grade us on, that's classified.