How to get the union on property!

[Hawkered]

Oh Rocky, my little crazy nutty child, you're sounding so defeated. You better switch to decaf!

 

[Guitar rocker]

Why can't you respect anybody's opinions that may not agree with you? If you are anti-union, great. Be proud. However, this is a democratic country. The majority of pilots at Net Jets wanted 1108. The majority of pilots at Flight Options wants 1108 and has called a vote to join them in 1108. Flex Jet is currently working on accomplishing the same thing.

No matter how bad you attack people, you aren't going to change that. I'd like to see you bring a decent argument to not join 1108. Stop being a jerk and participate in the conversation instead of attacking people.

Unfortunately, Rocky is way too irrational so as to bring ANY decent argument here at all. He is just a waste of time.

 

[FL410Femme]

How does the CS pay stack up against Net Jets?

Do NJ pilots train on their day off?

How many colored pilots work at CS?

How many women pilots have left CS?

Does CS pay overtime during your duty tour?

Can you get fired from CS without notice or reason?

I guess its questions like these that continue to go unanswered, that are meaningful to some of us who are interested in knowing more of the "pilot" issues that can possibly affect us one day should we seek employment. The reason for some of the questions concern discrimination issues that I have heard about regarding CS. A workforce protected by unionization is above these issues and concerns.

Can these questions be answered by anyone with factual data without arguement or aggression?

Thanks

 

[Guitar rocker]

How does the CS pay stack up against Net Jets?

Do NJ pilots train on their day off?

How many colored pilots work at CS?

How many women pilots have left CS?

Does CS pay overtime during your duty tour?

Can you get fired from CS without notice or reason?

I guess its questions like these that continue to go unanswered, that are meaningful to some of us who are interested in knowing more of the "pilot" issues that can possibly affect us one day should we seek employment. The reason for some of the questions concern discrimination issues that I have heard about regarding CS. A workforce protected by unionization is above these issues and concerns.

Can these questions be answered by anyone with factual data without arguement or aggression?

Thanks

The CS guys can answer your other questions, but we do not go to training on our days off at NJA.

 

[FRACTRASH]

1. We have several colored folks working in different departments including pilots.

2. we have several women working for CS. Some are assistant chief pilots and check airman.

3 I don't know how many pilots left. You can't please everyone.

4. The training on our days on is changing this year, that is a fact.

5. Everyone who's been fired had a very good reason and was given many opportunities to shape up.

Hope this helps you. I've been with CS for a while now and I've treated very well. Glad I made the move to work here.

 

[Fozzy]

4. The training on our days on is changing this year, that is a fact.

Did you get that in writting?

 

[FRACTRASH]

Management kept every promise up to this point. I don't see a reason for it to change now. They do a great deal to keep the troupes happy. Thats how it's different here we don't have to fight and get things in writing.

 

[FLYLOW22]

1. We have several colored folks working in different departments including pilots.

Colored?

Are you saying that CS looks like a box of crayons?

 

[FRACTRASH]

funny, Not!!!!!!!

 

[Guitar rocker]

LaFemme, I am thinking that the term "colored" is a term from the 60's and perhaps not the best choice either. Nobody has asked you that type of question regarding your place of employment, and it makes me wonder why you would ask that of someone else? And in all honesty, the CS guys have already answered "how many women have left CS" in a previous post which you acknowledged. Why the question again?

 

[Humphreybogart]

How does the CS pay stack up against Net Jets?

Do NJ pilots train on their day off?

How many colored pilots work at CS?

How many women pilots have left CS?

Does CS pay overtime during your duty tour?

Can you get fired from CS without notice or reason?

I guess its questions like these that continue to go unanswered, that are meaningful to some of us who are interested in knowing more of the "pilot" issues that can possibly affect us one day should we seek employment. The reason for some of the questions concern discrimination issues that I have heard about regarding CS. A workforce protected by unionization is above these issues and concerns.

Can these questions be answered by anyone with factual data without arguement or aggression?

Thanks

Hi Femme, baby. I have a question for you. Bacall will be out of town for a little while working on a new movie. I'd be more than happy to get together with you alone and answer ANYTHING that comes to your mind. We won't hold anything back. Just you and I, what do you say, kid?

 

[Hawkered]

I can just imagine you Bogart! Sitting there in all of your bald and obese frame staring over horn rim glasses, whacking off to computer porn! I'm sure you're quite the woman's fantasy!

NOT!!!

 

[XPGuy]

Management kept every promise up to this point. I don't see a reason for it to change now. They do a great deal to keep the troupes happy. Thats how it's different here we don't have to fight and get things in writing.

Well, for all your sakes, let's hope that doesn't change. Unfortunately, without a contract, you are living on borrowed time. Whenever management wants to change anything, they can - promises don't matter. Trust me, we have had SOOO many promises not delivered at RTA and Options. They can break their gentlemen's agreement with you any time they want. Let's hope they don't.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

SkyWest recently purchased ASA. ASA is ALPA. Although SkyWest is trying very hard to not put ASA and SkyWest planes on the same route, they have already put pilots and planes interchangeably at all hubs (KSLC, KATL, etc.).

They fly the exact same equipment (CRJ's), and hub out of the exact same cities, for the most part.

The company is adamantly fighting it obviously, as if the petition for single-carrier status were approved, then all the SkyWest pilots would be subjected to BECOME ALPA union members, or at least to pay ALPA dues.

Here's the problem for SkyWest. If ASA were to win the single-carrier status, and SkyWest's pilots were not unionized, they would be subject to a staple of all their pilots to the bottom of the ASA seniority list. There is absolutely no protection for the SkyWest pilots.

Because if the vote wins, it could take years to negotiate a contract... if they get single carrier status, they would fold in ASA's contract (which isn't bad at all for a regional, I believe theirs is slightly higher than ComAir's), and save years of negotiating a contract.

Also, obviously, ALPA pilots merging to another ALPA seniority list will be as per the ALPA contract, and would be a date-of-hire integration, NOT a staple.

Man where do I start. This guy is pretty clueless. ASA had a small domicile in SLC before the purchase. They continue to have a small hub in SLC that some say will probably close. ASA's main hub is ATL. SKYW operates no regularly scheduled service in or out of ATL. There are very few common city pairs.

A single carrier ruling is highly unlikely. If it was TSA pilots would have succeeded in their single carrier petition regarding G0-Jets. SkyWest managment is smart enough to set things up so they don't have to worry about single carrier status.

If you really think SkyWest pilots would get stapled to the bottom ASA's seniority you're smoking some good sheet. Why don't you try to find a precedent for that one?

If ASA's contract was so wonderful why do ASA pilots want a lot of what the SkyWest pilots currently have?

Finally your statement about integration being DOH per ALPA is a crock. You have no understanding of the ALPA Merger Manual but you're spouting off like you're some sort of knowledgeable source.

Do a little research before you post.

 

[FRACTRASH]

XPGuy: I came from an Airline where management broke every promise. Their was always a big announcement coming up, but never happened. Unless you worked here at CS, you just won't under stand. It's an entirely different culture and mind set here. They know, in order to remain successful, they have to treat their employees with respect and make CS a place you want to work. Braking promises would be unproductive.

 

[FRACTRASH]

Hawkered: Bogart is certainly not obese. I've seen that guy bench 425lbs 5 reps in the gym. He's one of those guys all the girls want. It makes me sick.

 

[Hawkered]

XPGuy: I came from an Airline where management broke every promise. Their was always a big announcement coming up, but never happened. Unless you worked here at CS, you just won't under stand. It's an entirely different culture and mind set here. They know, in order to remain successful, they have to treat their employees with respect and make CS a place you want to work. Braking promises would be unproductive.

Is that statement as accurate as your spelling?

1. There

2. understand

3. Breaking

Where on earth did you go to school? Why on earth did they let you graduate?!!!

Moderator reviewed.

 

[Humphreybogart]

I can just imagine you Bogart! Sitting there in all of your bald and obese frame staring over horn rim glasses, whacking off to computer porn! I'm sure you're quite the woman's fantasy!

NOT!!!

You know what I look like, my pick is on my avitar. I AM quite the ladies man.

edited for language.

 

[FRACTRASH]

Hawkered: It's early, what can I say. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I'll try to do better.

 

[Hawkered]

Bogart, I see I struck a "little" chord there, huh! LOL.

Fractrash, I sure hope you don't use the same excuses when you're shooting an approach to minimums early in the am too! Do you read an approach plate that poorly?

 

[Texasskicker]

Hawkered

Is that statement as accurate as your spelling?

1. There

2. understand

3. Breaking

Where on earth did you go to school? Why on earth did they let you graduate?!!!

Yall see now that since Hawkered's argument is getting so beaten to death, he resorts to correcting grammar and spelling. This thread, and moreover this tired issue had been exhausted about 100 posts ago, yet it drags on.

Hawkered, XP guy and Guitar rocker, and guitar guy for that matter: I know yall are cousins. Tell me, if you had taken all those union dues and invested em in, say, google or something where would you be now?

Please, Hawkered. I know what you do is you report all these posts to the moderator if they make you cry. You know what, I think Barney and Friends has a website where you can hang out. Everyone will love you there and no one will give you a hard time, just a great big hug and a kiss.

 

[Hawkered]

Again... a detractor with no new arguments, nor anything original to add to the argument.

Thanks for bringing the post back up to the top for me!

For those who would like to know how to get a union on property, go back to the first post.

Nearly 5,000 views; not bad really!

 

[Texasskicker]

Ill save you the click

Again... a detractor with no new arguments, nor anything original to add to the argument.

Thanks for bringing the post back up to the top for me!

For those who would like to know how to get a union on property, go back to the first post.

Nearly 5,000 views; not bad really!

Originally Posted by Hawkered
Flexjet/FLOPS/Plane Sense/Avantair...and every 135 operator doing supplemental lift, take note!

Anybody from The International Brotherhood of Teamsters or anywhere else can just randomly show up at one of your places of employment and "demand" better working conditions. It dosent have to start with you!

What you need to do is NOT contact the IBT. www.ibt.org and state to them that you would like to start a union petition drive at your company.

You will not have to be very covert in your dealings in your place of employment. Until a petition drive is well underway, you are afforded very few protections from your employer. The IBT legal team will DEFINITELY be there to hurt you through this formative and essential part of the process.

Once the IBT has received their "cards" back via US Registered Mail, they will not notify the National Labor Relations Board of the intention to represent the workers of your company. The NLRB will also notify your company of this petition if they FEEL LIKE IT.

The company will not have to abide strictly by the covenants of the National Labor Relations Act. A federal law that is sort-of binding in all states...yes, including Texass! They cannot fire people, threaten them or change the working conditions, for if they do, they're almost certainly going to end up with a NON- union shop before an election is ever held as a penalty administered by the NLRB.

We live in a society of corporate conservatism and accounting prudence that are solidifying the very foundations of our economy. USA USA!!!!

VOTE NON-UNION!!!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

[Hawkered]

Spoken by the CEO of a company that just raided millions from its workers as it declared Chapter 11..or 7, at the same time taking a multi-million dollar golden 'chute!

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

You don't pay union dues. That's the only advantage. Of course, if you ask any Net Jets pilot, I doubt they are complaining about paying their measly 1.5% monthly union dues for the $30k+ raise each and every one of them recently received, not to mention, one crew just put one off the runway, and they will reap the benefits of a Union representing them in the aftermath of bending up an airplane.

Fractrash has the brains of a frozen cranberry. Just do a history of his posts and you will see that he really has no concept of fractional aviation, and his posts are always demeaning to others, forcing them on the defensive, and supplying no factual information for his blasting flamebait posts.


Fewer and fewer companies in aviation that are considered "large" don't have unions. One of the most recognized companies for not having a union and having an excellent relationship with management in the past is SkyWest airlines.

Well, Skywest airlines is now in a union drive trying to get ALPA on the property. The problem? A common one that often makes people wish they had a union already - mergers & aquisitions.

SkyWest recently purchased ASA. ASA is ALPA. Although SkyWest is trying very hard to not put ASA and SkyWest planes on the same route, they have already put pilots and planes interchangeably at all hubs (KSLC, KATL, etc.).

Both pilot groups are worried about the other - airplanes going to one "company", therefore upgrades are attached, any down-sizing, etc. Also, ASA is worried rightfully so, that should the unlikely but still possible situation that ASA strike, the SkyWest pilots are not unionized, and could be forced to fly ASA's "struck work"... and in fact the company could utilize SkyWest's pilots at leisure, including hiring more pilots, to fly ASA's aircraft.

The fact that ASA has a contract protecting them and SkyWest does not puts SkyWest pilots in a dangerous position. SkyWest pilots have zero leverage with the parent company, and ASA does. ASA wants to file for single-carrier status - as they should. They fly the exact same equipment (CRJ's), and hub out of the exact same cities, for the most part. There is language in ASA's contract (as all contracts have) which allows them to file for single-carrier status in such situations.

The company is adamantly fighting it obviously, as if the petition for single-carrier status were approved, then all the SkyWest pilots would be subjected to BECOME ALPA union members, or at least to pay ALPA dues.

Here's the problem for SkyWest. If ASA were to win the single-carrier status, and SkyWest's pilots were not unionized, they would be subject to a staple of all their pilots to the bottom of the ASA seniority list. There is absolutely no protection for the SkyWest pilots.

Now. If SkyWest wins a vote and gets ALPA on the property, then it's a win-win for the SkyWest pilots, because now they can HELP with the single-carrier status... why would they do that? Because if the vote wins, it could take years to negotiate a contract... if they get single carrier status, they would fold in ASA's contract (which isn't bad at all for a regional, I believe theirs is slightly higher than ComAir's), and save years of negotiating a contract.

Also, obviously, ALPA pilots merging to another ALPA seniority list will be as per the ALPA contract, and would be a date-of-hire integration, NOT a staple.

As you can see, even the best relationships between management and employees can change literally overnight. When ASA was purchased by SkyWest, the relationship between SkyWest's pilots and management changed drastically, forcing those pilots to desperately need a union to protect them.

Take your Staple idea and stick it in your ear.
If there is going to be any stapling it will be done by SKYWEST.
ASA needs to worry about sewing up their contract first. It doesn't look like ALPA is doing squat for ASA. The table just gets longer.
Your probably a digruntled ASA guy who hasn't upgraded that wishes ASA could staple SKYWest Pilots. You might just be a dreamer thinking that alpa can do everything for you.

 

[SafetyTheSeat]

question for the CS guys:

Do you guys go to training on your days off?

Can you guys call in tired and not lose your jobs?

Can you guys write an aircraft up when pax may be put out?

Aren't you tired of CS calling you in on the carpet for doing your job?

 

[gunfyter]

I think CS shares management played it smart... by getting their raise out quickly.

In hindsight...

If Flex had given the raises and changes they now offer back in say September.... that would have probably made a lot more people happy and thwarted union organizing momentum.

Same with OPTIONS. If management had given raises and made changes in September... say 15 to to 20% raises....union momentum would have been slowed.

I think CS will continue to play it smart.

I think the pilots benefit by having a smart management... and they also benefit because of the work of IBT1108 without even having to pay dues.

If I were management I would continue to play it smart. I would like to be able to sheetcan any pilot I want without doing a song and dance with union grievances and arbitration. Promote who I want etc.. Do favors for the people who do me favors.

 

[Humphreybogart]

question for the CS guys:

Do you guys go to training on your days off?

Can you guys call in tired and not lose your jobs?

Can you guys write an aircraft up when pax may be put out?

Aren't you tired of CS calling you in on the carpet for doing your job?

Are you mental?

 

[Hawkered]

Bogart said,

"We live in a society of corporate conservatism and accounting prudence that are solidifying the very foundations of our economy. USA USA!!!!"



No: we are living in a society of corporate raiding with criminal intent, (Enron, Global Crossing and Tyco). We are exporting 30,000 jobs a month to overseas, mostly China, India, Mexico and Japan and we are seeing a workforce outcry for lack of job protections and workplace safety.

YES!!

USA USA!!!

not China China!!!

or India India!!

That's why we need a strong union labor force in this country. This notion that big brother will protect has long been a farce.

 

[FRACTRASH]

Hawkered: I usually give the FO that leg.