How to get the union on property!

[Guitar rocker]

Navy to Civvy

Sadly it's your honorable background here as a distinguished serviceman that America is cashing in on.

"Death Before Dishonor", might be a battle cry of the Marines, but it applies to all branches of the US Military.

Somehow though you have not made the connection that your raises at Citation Shares were made to try and mirror our raises at Netjets after a well fought battle on the part of our union.

Many of your fellow airmen would ask us, "When are you guys getting your big contract, I really could use a raise?"

Some of us even found this inflammatory, but at least most CS/Flops and Flexjet already knew what we did, it was going to happen.

So how about doing some of the heavy lifting yourself there sailor?

Good post! I found it inflammatory when CS guys would ask when we were going to get our contract so they could get a raise too. But more disgusting than that is when the CS guys here turn that question around of theirs into "we got our raise because mgmt really likes us and we do a good job. We were going to get it regardless of your contract." Oh how quickly they forget! Lest we forget that Bogart also said,"I will never say thanks to an NJA pilot for my raise." They have traded in the word thankful and taken on ego instead.

 

[taloft]

[SIZE=-1]FUD is an abbreviation for Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt, a sales or marketing strategy of disseminating negative but vague or inaccurate information on a competitor's product. The term originated to describe misinformation tactics in the computer software industry and has since been used more broadly. [/SIZE]

 

[Humphreybogart]

[SIZE=-1]FUD is an abbreviation for Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt, a sales or marketing strategy of disseminating negative but vague or inaccurate information on a competitor's product. The term originated to describe misinformation tactics in the computer software industry and has since been used more broadly. [/SIZE]

Thanks, TA. I learned something. I knew I was missing out on something!

 

[Humphreybogart]

You continually refer to us as being frustrated with how great CS is as you say. I'm glad that "things are great at Shares". But it doesnt affect me one way or another. I could ask you why you have so bagged on our union??? I could also ask you why you and Trash imply that we are a "sweat shop" operation. You wont touch either one of these two questions and you run away from them like it's the end of the world.

Rocker, maybe the word "frustruated" is not a good word to use. I think you see us as "riding on NJ's coat tails" since our raise and I don't see it that way. Making it more clearly, the whole raise/union thing. What came first, the chicken or the egg scenario. I'm tired of talking about it as I am sure you are too. The whole fact of the matter is, we both received a nice raise, weather it was due to the union or not. Now can we debate something else?

I have been involved in different unions throughout the course of my life. It seemed the employment I had while being part of that union was always a battle for something. I am a very easy going person who doesn't need that type of added dramatics in my life. Being in a non-union environment is a breath of fresh air to me. So, I am not "bagging" on you're union, I am referring to all unions. Remember, it's just my opinion.

I can't speak for Trash, but I think the "sweatshop" term came from NJ's pre TA days and postings. I remember seeing that mentioned by what is assumed to be a NJ pilot.

 

[Humphreybogart]

For someone who professes to enjoy being part of a team, your post is awfully ego-centric, NtC. I do understand that you are happy with conditions at CS, but what about the pilots that don't have it that good? You say that you have options. What about those pilots who feel that they do not? It seems to me that those who have the most could afford to be generous with their encouragement and cheer on the pilots who have the guts to stand up for themselves. Can you not understand that raising standards across the industry shores up everyone's position? If I can't appeal to your generous nature, how about your selfish streak?

Hawkered, he's been to sea. Let's have NtC swap the deck--starting with his own post... We all know how badly red Kool-aid stains...lol

Navy has a great point, so why are you ragging on him? If you feel that you don't have it so good or you're not being treated fairly, it's simple...LEAVE. There are other jobs out there that you may be happier at. I don't think that Navy is being "ego-centric" at all.

This whole cool-aid thing is a big joke, you people don't know what it's like to work at a company that takes care of its people without us fighting for it. We are thought of as people at CS, not numbers. Hey Wife, maybe you should spend more time in the kitchen cleaning up after your husbands' messes, is the mop dry yet from wiping up all the crybaby tears. At CS, we have a very clean kitchen.

 

[Hawkered]

Obviously Mr Bogart, Citation Shares does not do a very good job of pilot recruitment.

Were you an abused child, or did your ol' man beat up on your mum to have such a low opinion of women.

You Sir, are a Human Resources disaster just waiting to happen!!

 

[Humphreybogart]

Obviously Mr Bogart, Citation Shares does not do a very good job of pilot recruitment.

Were you an abused child, or did your ol' man beat up on your mum to have such a low opinion of women.

You Sir, are a Human Resources disaster just waiting to happen!!

Can you explain yourself better? I have a wonderful opinion of women, just not NetJetWife, who puts her nose where it doesn't belong. She doesn't know a thing about us or our life at CS so what makes her an authority to talk about us? She may know NJ life from what her hubby tells her, so why doesn't she stick to that and stay out of our business?

Moderator reviewed.

 

[Pervis]

Bogart, stick to the porn sites. That way we don't have to hear you moan.

 

[netjetwife]

I'll make this simple, Bogart. Let's remove ALL company names. The point of my post to NtC (which apparently you missed) was that I believe the pilots who are enjoying good working conditions and fair pay should be willing to encourage others (who don't have it as well) in their efforts to acquire the new industry standard. In short, I dislike the "I got mine" attitude. I was hoping to open minds that have been closed to the idea of a union. Fine, it may not be needed at your company, but what about those pilots where it clearly is? Why can't you see it as a way to improve the lot of your fellow pilots in the frac industry? Why can't you support them in their fight?

I post here to show support for a cause I believe in. I find the pay and QOL at (most) frac companies to be far below the professional level pilots earn --and rightfully deserve. When I first joined this board, it was to voice my support for the NJ pilots who were standing up for their rights. I was told that NJ pilots were whiners and crybabies for complaining. I was told that all the frac pilots had it that bad. My response to them was to stand up for themselves and demand what they are owed. Now that some of those pilots are doing just that, I am happily supporting their cause. The issues are STILL the same. I could make the SAME posts now as a Flexwife, Optionswife, or Avantairwife that I first made as Netjetwife. I see my posts as a matter of personal integrity. I am keeping my word to those I encouraged to make a stand. It feels good to see them come around to the StrongUnion way of thinking.

Bogart, don't you know by now that those tacky comments about sending me back to the kitchen only make you look like a bigot and tell me that my posts are hitting a nerve with the anti-union crowd?

ALL FRACTIONAL PILOTS DESERVE PROFESSIONAL COMPENSATION

1108 IS RAISING THE INDUSTRY STANDARD--A COMPANY AT A TIME

 

[NavytoCivy]

Wow – I don’t know where to start. First of all, I can only speak for myself. Hence the I’s. I could do it in the third person, but I’d get confused quickly. Secondly, I do acknowledge that the NetJets contract could very well have influenced CS Management. But, I also acknowledge that OUR (great, now I’m self-conscious about saying “my” and “I”) management was monitoring the industry, saw the need to increase salary and did it. If their action was caused by the NJ pilots, then I thank you. At the same time, I thank Mgmt for acting and not waiting for the battle. Thirdly, and this is just silly but Miles brought it up as a point, if a man builds a company that in just a few short years competes with the biggest and best in the industry, he deserves a big house. I don’t begrudge him that. Regarding FUD…That’s just ridiculous, but I’m glad you mentioned it. It’s true I like things as they are. But it was not me who said, “I am telling you to enjoy it while it lasts, because realistically it will change for the worse…”, “It's nice when everyone knows everyone, but when it gets bigger, nobody is gonna be on the phone after you land saying,"great job today!"”, “"I want to be recognized for a good job" club will be long gone!””, “Sadly it's your honorable background here as a distinguished serviceman that America is cashing in on” (this one was rich!), “If such a club even exists, do you truly think that kinda club is going to last there when you grow”, “As you get bigger, nobody is going to know you if they stepped on you and nobody is going to care one way or another about how good a job you did”. These are beautiful examples of FUD by your own definition – “negative but vague or inaccurate information on a competitor's product” and FUD is a primary tool used by Union Reps.
NavytoCivy doesn’t dislike the union, he knows it has it’s place (in time), he just doesn’t think it’s necessary here. (NJW – I tried that in the third person for you) If the union does well for you, wherever you are, great – you found your happy place. We, I, us, me don’t need or want it. Come fly with us for a bit and see – we’re hiring!
There are my two posts/cents. I’m not going to post anymore. I truly wish you all happiness and success – except for the reps.