How Long til ABX Furloughs again?

[DC-9er]

Sad, but oh so true.

If Abx furloughs, I for one expect zero resolution through the stoppage of open time.

It would be business as usual!

I do not think we have long to wait to test this theory.

I hope I am wrong.....

you should change your sn to Bitter-at-the-Bottom

 

[DC-9er]

and there's no furloughs coming, silly

 

[Bitter]

you should change your sn to Bitter-at-the-Bottom

Well Bitter refers to my favorite type of beer.........So should it be beer-at-the-bottom?

As far as no furloughs........why do you think that?

 

[LarryinTN]

The fact is the top seniority list is so used to the overtime...

One of the biggest offenders retired just last week and more are leaving soon.

 

[UPSer]

One of the biggest offenders retired just last week and more are leaving soon.

LOL!!!! You are right. Good to see George Wilson go! OBTW, what happened last Friday? How can a DC-9 be in the CATII window at 100ft and end up off the left side of 22R in the mud? Heard they had their 5B1 meeting and are waiting on a decision on that and from the Feds.

 

[DC-9er]

As far as no furloughs........why do you think that?

where have you been? The 767 training is gearing up big time. There's more airplanes coming, you know. And the ONLY place I hear about parking DC9s is right here on this board.

 

[DC-9er]

One of the biggest offenders retired just last week and more are leaving soon.

I'm not retiring anytime soon.

 

[DC-9er]

OBTW, what happened last Friday? How can a DC-9 be in the CATII window at 100ft and end up off the left side of 22R in the mud? Heard they had their 5B1 meeting and are waiting on a decision on that and from the Feds.

We'll just wait for you to fill in the details, moron.

 

[erichartmann]

Hartmann, the cases you cite involved unions that were in status quo and barred from self-help. Our own union attorneys admit we screwed up last time because we had a small window to do something and it was frittered away and the opportunity was gone once negotiations were formally opened. You also also fail to mention the example of UPS, where the union membership quickly acted, solved the problem and no action was necessary.

The fact is the top seniority list is so used to the overtime that their personal 'needs' outweigh the good of the group. The fact is we have some selfish wh0res that would suck the teet to the point if there were only 2 guys left on the seniority list the #1 pilot would bid 16 days of OPF, even if it furloughed number #2 and #1 lost his job because he had no one to fly with. (I want all mine and all of yours...till the last day.)

Unions subject to the RLA are prohibited from engaging in self help outside the narrow structured confines of the RLA. Essentially, unless you have been released from negotiations and the cooling off period has expired you cannot engage in self help. Being in "status quo" (a term not mentioned in the Act) only makes it easier for the company to get the necessay court orders. Any time the company can prove through historical records that a concerted action on the part of the group is taking place the union is subject to being hauled into court. Incidently, one of the cases I cited involved ABX Air and Local 1224. We were not in negotiations at the time.

The senior pilots don't want all theirs and all yours. They want what their seniorty entitles them to. You forget that all those senior pukes were once junior. I sat reserve BU (before union) when reserve was on call 24/7. You maybe got weekends off if you weren't sent somewhere. Sometimes you got sent out for 3+ weeks straight. The senior folks you so belittle stood up, said no more, and voted the union in. 2nd year pay in any seat is more than what Captains used to make, and you get more days off, reserve or not. What you want is what I earned and what I'm entitled to, and you're unwilling to wait your turn. Grow up or go play in traffic.

 

[Sporto]

Want some Cheese with that.

The senior pilots don't want all theirs and all yours. They want what their seniorty entitles them to. You forget that all those senior pukes were once junior. I sat reserve BU (before union) when reserve was on call 24/7. You maybe got weekends off if you weren't sent somewhere. Sometimes you got sent out for 3+ weeks straight. The senior folks you so belittle stood up, said no more, and voted the union in. 2nd year pay in any seat is more than what Captains used to make, and you get more days off, reserve or not. What you want is what I earned and what I'm entitled to, and you're unwilling to wait your turn. Grow up or go play in traffic.

You deserve everything that your seniority allows. No question. Knock yourself out with all the open time you can stand. Doesn't bother me a bit. I am willing to wait my turn.

But if there is a furlough, that changes everything. Anyone who bids open time individually or collectively, in my opinion is a POS.

Does your Seniority entitle you to look the other way when guys hit the street?

 

[ABXbooger]

Havin' trouble makin' it on that measly salary, huh? It was especially touching when I had a newly displaced 767 FO complain how he was going to have to work sooo much open time because he had adjusted to the 767 pay. When I asked him how long he had been in the 767, he said "oh, just 6 months" Try swallowing that when your on furlough.

 

[penguin22]

You deserve everything that your seniority allows. No question. Knock yourself out with all the open time you can stand. Doesn't bother me a bit. I am willing to wait my turn.

But if there is a furlough, that changes everything. Anyone who bids open time individually or collectively, in my opinion is a POS.

Does your Seniority entitle you to look the other way when guys hit the street?

Bit more to it than your myopic view. Our model was built over many years and contracts. We are guaranteed ONLY 65 hrs. Racetracking and weekends allow for time at home during workdays for a lot of us. So there’s a lot of open flying, and that gets the big paychecks while still not gone all month. And yes, the company benefits. How else do you think we can get the big money and still cost LESS than Astar????

So with a lower cost structure, who do you think will do more hiring, say, over the next 5 years????? (And therefore get the furloughs back)

With your (very ALPA-like) thinking, you’d increase costs dramatically just at a time when it mattered most, i.e., during a hypothetical furlough. ALPA has proved time and time again their model does not work. I think ours does.

If you quit thinking like a Frenchman, and start thinking like a capitalist, you might see there’s a bit more to it than your viewpoint.

 

[erichartmann]

Havin' trouble makin' it on that measly salary, huh?

Not at all.

 

[erichartmann]

You deserve everything that your seniority allows. No question. Knock yourself out with all the open time you can stand. Doesn't bother me a bit. I am willing to wait my turn.

Good.

But if there is a furlough, that changes everything. Anyone who bids open time individually or collectively, in my opinion is a POS.

Opionons are like a$$*&%!$. Everybody has one.

Does your Seniority entitle you to look the other way when guys hit the street?

I'm not looking the other way. I've been furloughed; I didn't like it then, I wouldn't like it now. Then, I went and got another job because I had bills to pay and family to support. When that job looked to go the way of the dodo I found yet another before I was furloughed.

 

[Joe Pilot]

So with a lower cost structure, who do you think will do more hiring, say, over the next 5 years????? (And therefore get the furloughs back)quote]

Just wanted to remind you that Astar has been hiring. I think they hired close to 50 pilots last year. This of course has been done even though Astar's cost "might" be a little higher. Why haven't you guys hired? You seem to be doing a lot of extra flying and picking up a few of Astars routes. I guess you are probably overstaffed.
Astar is refilling its pilot pool right now. Are you guys?
If you want to keep this going and start a race to the bottom, then by all means go ahead. It will only eventually catch up to you when Hete says that he needs to cut your pay to make up the $100 million DHL wants.
Hold the bar.

 

[UPSer]

So with a lower cost structure, who do you think will do more hiring, say, over the next 5 years????? (And therefore get the furloughs back)quote]

Just wanted to remind you that Astar has been hiring. I think they hired close to 50 pilots last year. This of course has been done even though Astar's cost "might" be a little higher. Why haven't you guys hired? You seem to be doing a lot of extra flying and picking up a few of Astars routes. I guess you are probably overstaffed.
Astar is refilling its pilot pool right now. Are you guys?
If you want to keep this going and start a race to the bottom, then by all means go ahead. It will only eventually catch up to you when Hete says that he needs to cut your pay to make up the $100 million DHL wants.
Hold the bar.

Hi Rhoid, good to see that you've come back under a new name!

 

[penguin22]

That from "UPSer". You're a riot, smartboy

Astar is refilling its pilot pool right now. Are you guys?
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Lets just see who does the most hiring in the next 5 years, shall we?

 

[flx757]

Hi Rhoid, good to see that you've come back under a new name!

Now THAT's FUNNY. UPSer IS Rhoid. Along with IHaveAPension, RJDC, FreightNazi, GuppyKiller, TheGuppyKiller, E170GuppyKiller, OUT, ABXpert, 410Dude, LucyFurr, TheMissingLink, and all the other banned usernames he has used over the years.

 

[UPSer]

What's up with ABX pilots making fun of Astar pilots lack of CAT II capability on Indy center freq last friday? Your CP Vollmer is not proud of you at all.

 

[erichartmann]

What's up with ABX pilots making fun of Astar pilots lack of CAT II capability on Indy center freq last friday? Your CP Vollmer is not proud of you at all.

What makes you think ABX pilots give a rats A$$ what Voltmeter thinks?