hiring a resident vs.citizen

[MAX]

anyone knows if there is preferrence between hiring a resident[green card]vs. citizen?
thank you.

 

[7B2]

Oooohh boy................

 

[AA985]

I'm a resident and got 4 job offer between January and February.

 

[AviatorTx]

Curious:

How many hoops would I have to jump through (if even possible) to go get hired in your country and potentially take jobs from your citizens???

 

[rvsm410]

America the land....

Ain't this just typical.....residents can get jobs before Natural Born US folks do......

Sorry, My personl feelings are we should take care of our own people first.....then residents....otherwise go back home to your country to get the job your trained here for so cheaply.....Once you actually become a sworn in citizen,then I have not problem with them competing on equal footing....

Then again thats just my opinion, I could be wrong.

 

[chperplt]

How many hoops would I have to jump through (if even possible) to go get hired in your country and potentially take jobs from your citizens???

Hoops... Why would you have to jump through hoops? Only the citizens of this country have to jump through hoops. Our wonderful leaders have made laws over the years to see to it that non citizens are given jobs.

 

[AviatorTx]

That's my point.

Lets say I wanted to get hired by British Airways, or Quantas (sp?). It would be nearly impossible, even if I was a former space shuttle commander.

If we got rid of all the green cards at my airline alone, I'd move up 50 numbers overnight. Yet I can't get hired in the countries that these people come from. It's an unfair double standard, that's all.

If I could walk right into a job with B/A or Quantas, I would not be complaining.

 

[cocknbull]

I am an American as was my father, and my grandfather. However my great grandfather was a German immagrant and my grandmother was a British immigrant. They came to the US becuase they wanted to better themselves and the US. Lucky for them there were places willing to hire them. There are many non US citizens fighting in Iraq right now with a US patch on their shoulder, but we won't allow them to become citizens. While I will admit we should certainly restrict hiring from outside the US ranks (NO FRENCHIES), I do not think we should cut off our, British, Australian, Polish, and Dutch brothers.

 

[Vortilon]

Well what about the Canadians.....all polite and friendly....why, they even look just like us! Diabolical bastards if you ask me....

BEWARE THE CANADIAN INVASION IS COMING!

 

[dh82dvr]

There are plenty of hoops to jump through and plenty of cash to part with. There were a lot of lean years in Australia thanks to a poor economy and all the foreign scab pilots who came to fly during the strike and then stayed.

 

[limodriver1]

you must be joking!

If you are qualified citizen you should not be scared of permanent residents of USA.

They have all the legal rights of this country except voting, which seems like does not mean too much here anymore!

If you like to work in europe get permanent resident card and if in other european countries learn language and you can be sure that if you are qualified candidate you will be hired!

Just stop complaining about your situation, you live and work in best country in the world!

Just do your work and pay your dues and you will be golden!

If you guys like to talk about permanent residents situation, you first should find out info about how these things works and what is required to get so called green card!

 

[crashpad]

I just wish we could understand what the hell they're saying on the radios! I flew with a foreigner and he had to repeat himself 3 times on each transmission because of his unintelligible dialect. Nevermind their attitudes, that's another story.

 

[AA985]

I just wish we could understand what the hell they're saying on the radios! I flew with a french-iragi and he had to repeat himself 3 times on each transmission because of his unintelligible mutterings. Nevermind their attitudes, that's another story.

How many other languages do YOU speak??????
Can you even try doing the radios in spanish or french if you're in flying into either country????Even hold a normal conversation???

 

[cvoav8r]

NO Imigrants!!!! go home!!!

They should stop immigration now. There are too many Americans out of work. GO HOME IMMIGRANTS.

 

[IrishFlyer]

Hi,

Many people in the US are here on green cards because they have either married a US citizen (for the right reasons or wrong reasons) or attained one through the annual green card lottery, 50,000 visas for the whole world excluding a few countries for obvious reasons.

So for those saying they cannot go to work for British Airways or Qantas you could visit Europe or Australasia find yourself a British or Australian citizen get married, get your work permit and apply. Don’t think that it’s the case that anyone from outside the US can get a green card easily and come and apply to the US airlines.

Back to the topic. I have heard about more background checks being done on guys here on green cards and because of these extra checks it might be putting the employers off.

Any more info?

Regards,

IF

 

[freightrash]

If we got rid of all the green cards at my airline alone, I'd move up 50 numbers overnight. Yet I can't get hired in the countries that these people come from. It's an unfair double standard, that's all.
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Okay..because of those people like you, I just filed and got approved my US citizenship after 10years of being green card holder. So do you think I can fly here? fair enought?

I belive the real threat for this country is ignorant pilots.

 

[crashpad]

How many other languages do YOU speak??????
Can you even try doing the radios in spanish or french if you're in flying into either country????Even hold a normal conversation???

Good point. If any other language were required to fly, I would definitely master it to maximize safety. Miscommunications as a norm is unacceptable and unsafe. BTW, I speak 2 fluently without an accent, and 4 more not so well, but could if I had to. I bet you could ,too.

Punto excellente. Si una otra lengua hay nessesito para volar, soy aprendio por la securidad de la gente. Mal communicaciones tan la normal no hay es sufficiente...yadda...yaddaa...yadda..


Freighttrash-Congradultions! Just tell us you applied for citizenship because you want to be an American, not because of the pressures of prejudice from ignorant people. Celebrate and be proud of your citizenship, and your heritage.

 

[chperplt]

I'll be happy If and when the best qualified applicant gets the job.

 

[huncowboy]

That's my point.

Lets say I wanted to get hired by British Airways, or Quantas (sp?). It would be nearly impossible, even if I was a former space shuttle commander.

If we got rid of all the green cards at my airline alone, I'd move up 50 numbers overnight. Yet I can't get hired in the countries that these people come from. It's an unfair double standard, that's all.

If I could walk right into a job with B/A or Quantas, I would not be complaining.

No double standards. The above sounds like green cards are distributed at every corner here in the US. For most of us it takes a long time to get it (not that I am complaining), unless you get married, or get selected by the lottery, or swim in and apply for asylum (which is being abused big time). I have been waiting for almost 5 years now for the green card... and still waiting. Because of this wait I will never have the chance to join the US Army, the reason I came here for. BTW I did everything the legal way never broke the law or any immigration regulations (unlike most), always paid taxes. My job was offered to US citizens first and no one was even interested in it. It was advertised (as required by DOL) in a major industry magazine’s employment section. It was a good office job too and the salary was determined by the US Department of Labor. I have enjoyed it while I had it... etc. Well… I guess I am just trying to show that it is not that easy to get the right to work here, not that it should be.

On the other hand I can understand the frustration of all the natives because a majority of the immigrants don't even try to adopt to this country (learn English etc.) and keep complaining and fighting about/against the local traditions...it is beyond me. I am trying to adopt as much as I can and don’t have the Hungarian flag on the a$$ of my car.

Anyways, what I was originally going to say is that IMO the immigration is indeed out of hands here. Especially the way illegal immigration is being handled. If something is going to f up this place it is going to be immigration and resulting mass breeding of some certain immigration groups without naming them. This is going to be a huge problem soon. But that is my little sorry a$$, politically incorrect point of view only.

Soooo flame away until this gets deleted just like the last one

PS: those who fight now, will get their citizenship very fast, they deserve it too!!!

 

[AviatorTx]

Okay..because of those people like you, I just filed and got approved my US citizenship after 10years of being green card holder. So do you think I can fly here? fair enought?

No.. I think once you DO get your citizenship, you are welcomed with open arms, and given any job you are qualified for. You have then earned the right to what your CITIZENSHIP entitles you to.

As long as you hold a green card though, your job opportunity in the USA should be limited to McDonald's, Blockbuster video, ect...

My mothers side of my family were once immigrants also. It ain't 200 years ago though. Unlike the industrial revolution, good jobs are at a premium in this country now and should be reserved for the citizens.

 

[SennaP1]

Ahh Naturalization

Going (gone) thru the process, Alot of paperwork, fingerprints, and an interview with a not so "friendly" "customer service" oriented Inspector. That was until I spoke Fluent, yes fluent English. And oh yeah a test. Take a sample here:

http://uscis.gov/graphics/exec/natz/natztest.asp

Hey I love this country, even have a flag of the Stars and Stripes on my flight bag. So I'm glad I can be welcomed with open arms now. BTW, never worked at Blockbuster (I may owe a late fee there though) or Mcdonald's (rubbish food, their coffee is OK).

Anyways, I think it may be a bit short-minded to call all non-US citizens unworthy of any "Premium" job. Just my opinion though.

KEEP THE FAITH, GO RED SOX.

 

[willbav8r]

So having lived in the US of A from the age of 8, but only a lowly green card holder I should be discriminated against........?

Man, sometimes you folks should really read some of the stuff you type. And if you still believe it, then you need to start looking at how the rest of the world works.

Nothing stops American Citizens from living and working throughout the world. If you would travel a little, you might see that for yourself.

If you cannot get the legal right to live somewhere, then you should not be able to work there. Last time I checked, I have had the legal right to live and work here since 1986.

Rant off

Flak jacket on

 

[crashpad]

Never Fails! I come here to stir the pot and end up learning a thing or two before I leave. I love you guys. Can I have your Bud Light?

 

[huncowboy]

As long as you hold a green card though, your job opportunity in the USA should be limited to McDonald's, Blockbuster video, ect...

Now that would cut down on immigration for sure... but you would still not stop the most desperate to enter since many of them best hope is as good as the above jobs, yet they stay anyways.

I think the original purpose of the green card was to provide you the right to citizenship. Basically at the point, when USA offers you the green card by approving your application for permanent residency, you have met all the requirements for immigration. From here, weather you will get the citizenship or not, depends only on the applicant. In the following years (3 for those who merry or enlist and serve at least 3 years, 5 for the rest) you must show that you are delivering your side of the deal. On the citizenship interview they do not judge your application again. It has been decided already. They simply review your past 3-5 years and look for the following:

1. have you been a good moral character (even things like adultery can get you kicked)
2. did you get your green card in a fraudulent way (fake marriages especially)
3. did you pay your taxes (this one is a biggie)

So basically with the green card, you are a "conditional" citizen, I guess that is why all the rights that come with it.

When we talk about "premium jobs", it is fair to mention, that many people came here on a US job offer at a time when the economy needed additional workforce, and that supposedly was in the interest of this country including everyone who has already been here at that time. Since the process of immigrating is extremely slow for professionals, some have already lost those jobs due to the economy turning around. I think it would be quite unfair to simply tell those guys that: Sorry, things changed, you screwed 5 years of your life but you are still 1 months short of the green card so get the f home because now we do not need you anymore and you just got laid off. All this because the former INS has an average processing time of 3 years for an immigration applicant on top of the 2 years that DOL f_cks around. You can't just tell people to go to hell after they have been welcome when they were needed. Either don’t let them in at all, or make it clear that they are here only temporarily, or stand by them.

Of course there has never been a pilot shortage in the USA so this hardly applies to aviation. I was just trying to give another perspective from my point of view. Sorry for the boring read.

 

[AA985]

Instead of wasting your time whining about immigrants getting "your" job you should be concern about americans AND non-american (residents) taking "your" jobs without the qualifications and just because they "look like a pilot"....

PD: Can anyone in this life choose where to be born before hand? If so, please let me know so that I can start applying for my next life. Thanks.

 

[TheInsider]

What's next?

Ornstein, Mesa pilots, females, minorities, JetBlue pilots.........

ALWAYS someone to blame.

What's next? Or who's next?

Suck it up, build a bridge and get over it!

 

[Ailerongirl]

Re: Ahh Naturalization

And oh yeah a test. Take a sample here:

http://uscis.gov/graphics/exec/natz/natztest.asp

I'd never seen the sample questions on the Naturalization test before.....they seem pretty easy, but then again, I've lived here for 10 years now, and took American History in both H.S and college.

 

[AviatorTx]

Instead of wasting your time whining about immigrants getting "your" job you should be concern about americans AND non-american (residents) taking "your" jobs without the qualifications and just because they "look like a pilot"....

Nice try...

I'll take a U.S. citizen with a G.E.D. over a green card holding PHD any day of the week.

US Citizenship should be a qualification in it's self. Again, it should be a two way street. If I can't just go get an AIRLINE job in Britain or Australia, you guys and gals should be S.O.L. over here. Fair is fair.

IF it WAS a two way street, I would have a different outlook.

 

[7B2]

AviatorTx, why don't you pack your bag and go to a flightschool in Europe and get your ratings there and apply for a job.

What's so f*cking difficult about that.

So stop complaining unless you've seriously tried to get a job there with the right qualifications.

Hey, but what do I know, I'm just.....

 

[dh82dvr]

If you can get the legal right to work in Australia then you can apply to Qantas or whoever you want. You don't even have to marry a citizen, just live in a defacto relationship for two years, and even during that time you are eligible to work. It is easier than here. If you think all residents should be sent packing then all the expat US citizens to be sent back and start looking for jobs here. Its a two way street. Flame away!!