hiring a resident vs.citizen

[Stifler's Mom]

Re: Ahh Naturalization

Take a sample here:

http://uscis.gov/graphics/exec/natz/natztest.asp

**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**, missed who takes over if the Pres and VP die.

So, with 4 out of 5, where do I turn in my citzenship? And where do I go now?

 

[Skaz]

raysalmon bravo, excellent post, very informatice and I dare say, have taken the wind out of the sails of the xenophobes.

I am a South African citizen, getting married to a US girl in October of this year. After the honeymoon and all the pleasures that accompany it, I shall be starting the long process of converting my license and looking for employment in the USA.

I am pretty sure there are some knee-jerk reactions to a post like this, but illegal immigrant I'm not. In fact, I would be proud to serve in the US military or Coast Guard, providing a life-saving service to the American people, apart from the usual like paying taxes and being a good citizen....um, resident

Having lived and worked in a number of Southern African countries and meeting lotsa 'foreign' pilots, including American ones, I think people like AviatorTX should wind his neck in and travel a bit. Go to the the places people come from that you accuse of taking jobs from you, and see how EASY it is for you to get a job there.

SennaP1, and anyone else going, gone or still having to go through the PROCESS, will know its not easy to get into the USA legally. I still have to go to the interview with the immigration guy wanting to see photos and emails and love letters etc.
If we abide by the laws and regulations set in place by the people of the USA through their government, pass the test and measure up, we should be given equal opportunity to become law abiding, economically active productive citizens who contribute to the wellfare of American society.

 

[freightrash]

applause%^##$%

Ray! It was great post!
Well I really wanted to explain samething to those ignorants.
But I was too lazy or didn't care about their problem.
At least I hope those HR people in airline industry have this
kind of knowledge.....
once again good job!

 

[Carlton]

A friend of mine who works for Qantas recently related a story about a former marine F18 pilot whom he converted from a 744SO to a 737fo at Qantas. I won't comment on what he said about this guys flying abilities as compared to the average RAAF F18 driver. He married an Australian girl.

Qantas is actively hiring and Australia is relatively easy to immigrate to ,if you have a degree, work experience in certain areas. Checkout www.immi.gov.au If you have a masters degree and
are under 28 you shouldn't have to many problems. But it means getting of your rear and acting. If your immigration appl is granted(takes around 8 months) you get permanent residency straight away -then you can apply to Qantas.

Qantas also has 80+ Americans working for their short haul division. Guys who joined Australian Airlines during the 1989 strike/dispute-Qantas later took over Aust Airlines.

It surprises me that more Americans don't look abroad to pursue their careers- it's not as though a lot is going on in your own country now. Many would be eligible for an EU passport through parents/grandparents.

If you think the USA is the best place to live
then you obviously haven't lived on the Queensland coast- but then that's another story

 

[Trash8Mofo]

Of course, you should be aware that when the ignorant folks speaking of green card pilots, they are not talking the white dudes from England, or South Africa. Something tells me that they are thinking about the Mexicans or something.

 

[xdashdriver]

Well I saw references to BA and Qantas as being examples of places that US pilot couldn't go. I didn't see anything about Aero Mexico. But I think I see what you're saying. They're taking the general illegal immigration problem (which is the most widely advertised form of immigration) and assuming it also applies to the pilot world. I attempted to cover that misconception in my posts too. They fail to realize that illegal immigration and the outsourcing of jobs overseas hurts them exponentially more than any legal immigration situation ever will.

 

[Freight Dog]

AviatorTX, you are a class 1 idiot.

Care to guess how many immigrants i.e. green card holders have served in the U.S. military? Care to guess how many of them are in right now putting their lives on the line for this country? Care to guess how many of them made the ultimate sacrifice so your hick ass can make fun of them? Care to guess how many of them bypassed you simply because they're better than you?

Oh, and I'd rather work with a green card holder over some ignorant bubba like yourself. You're just like you say... cocky, so I figure you talk the talk, and people like you never walk the walk - whereas your immigrant green card guy won't talk the talk, but he'll run the walk.

Grow up!

 

[CatYaaak]

Of course, you should be aware that when the ignorant folks speaking of green card pilots, they are not talking the white dudes from England, or South Africa. Something tells me that they are thinking about the Mexicans or something.

I don't agree with the anti-green card types, but it's just as, if not more ignorant, and certainly more childish, of you to try and assign racist notions to others just because they may be protectionists on labor issues, or not aware of immigration process.

NObody here has brought race up as an issue except YOU with your implication as a way to try and demonize those you disagree with. But if race is your "thing" then I DO think mostly they were by default referring to "white dudes", since by far most green card pilots working or in training in this country are from Europe, South Africa, Canada and Australia and the "fair is fair" references about working for their home countries'airlines were also in regard to BA and Quantas, or obtaining a JAA license (European).

You look pretty foolish trying to play the race card when the game is chess.

 

[AviatorTx]

AviatorTX, you are a class 1 idiot.

Care to guess how many immigrants i.e. green card holders have served in the U.S. military? Care to guess how many of them are in right now putting their lives on the line for this country? Care to guess how many of them made the ultimate sacrifice so your hick ass can make fun of them? Care to guess how many of them bypassed you simply because they're better than you?

Oh, and I'd rather work with a green card holder over some ignorant bubba like yourself. You're just like you say... cocky, so I figure you talk the talk, and people like you never walk the walk - whereas your immigrant green card guy won't talk the talk, but he'll run the walk.

Grow up!

Why resort to name calling, Numbnuts?

OK... I did not have any green cards in my military unit, BUT I'll admit that if one does serve a complete enlistment, and is honorably discharged, or re-ups, they should be granted immediate citizenship. They have earned it, afterall.

I did walk the walk. I admit to being a redneck, but there are worse things to be called.

 

[Freight Dog]

As long as you hold a green card though, your job opportunity in the USA should be limited to McDonald's, Blockbuster video, ect...

It's not really name-calling when you post things like this, bubba.

ANYONE who lives in this country legally is entitled to pursue happiness. One of the beautiful rights that set our country apart from the rest of the world. Now, don't get confused. You are not entitled to happiness, you're only entitled to PURSUE it. Most legal immigrants here recognize that and are more vigorous to pursue their happiness because they appreciate the opportunity they have in this country a lot more than your average American.
Your average American tends to think he/she is entitled to middle class lifestyle just because... Your average American is gonna sit down and bitch about everything, your average immigrant is gonna roll up their sleeves and go to work to accomplish their goals. I've witnessed it time and time again, and not only that, but I am a living proof and so is my family, and so are many of our friends.

 

[Rottweiller]

Re: NO Imigrants!!!! go home!!!

They should stop immigration now. There are too many Americans out of work. GO HOME IMMIGRANTS.

You are a total jackass!! This country was built on immigration, the only true American (if you want to be totally correct, are the native Americans).

You are just blaming someone else for what you don't have, why don't you pitch in with women, the colored minorities etc. I flew for european airlines and we had plenty of Americans, Canadians and Aussies flying for us, but not at the expense of someone who was more qualified for the position. To even emply that resident green card holders should be barred from certain positions (holders can join the armed forces and fight for the USA) is pathetic. Do some research on the subject and educate yourself!!

Oh and before you ask, yes I am a Citizen.

 

[Trash8Mofo]

Well Catyaaak, Race is not my "thing", but I am comfortable with it. And I believe that you cannot fix a problem unless you seek the source of it. So, lets speak openly. I dont like it anymore than the next guy to have someone taking my job, foreign or domestic. I will support any legislation to protect our rights to work. HOWEVER, when Capt. Redneck meets his copilot from Ireland, you CANNOT tell me the first impression Capt Redneck has is " what as a$$hole, he is stealing my job!" I bet any money that the conversation goes more about Guinness than it is about green card. Whats between the lines here is that, when ignorant people write about things like" Go Home, green card holders can only work at Mcdonalds,etc...." , they are applying their general stereotype of lowly trained, non-english speaking workers images for professional pilots. Its not about race, its about whats between the lines. But of course, anything about race is taboo. I am sorry if I hit a sensitive spot.

 

[huncowboy]

It is somehow interesting that in the 5 years we have been living here every single American I have meet was just way too friendly (except that one guy with whom I got into a roadrage but I doubt he knew where I was from). I keep receiving questions about Europe and everyone is always interested to locate my little tiny country in his/her brain with mostly limited success.

soooo... trying to say that if you are a dickinson, than regardless where you are from, eventually people will treat you accordingly. If you are at least trying to be friendly being an immigrant often will make you more interesting and it will be just one more topic to talk about. It is all about attitudes.

 

[Ailerongirl]

I keep receiving questions about Europe and everyone is always interested to locate my little tiny country in his/her brain with mostly limited success.

Along those lines, what's the funniest thing any of you have been asked about where you're from? My sister and I have a 'list' of the funniest/stupidest questions we've been asked over the past ten years. Some of the good ones:

* Do they speak English In England?
* Do you celebrate Christmas in England?
* How did you get here? (Well, we tried to swim....)
* Did you have to learn a new language to come here?
* Say something in the language of your country. (errr ok...)
* I have a cousin, last name Brown, who lives in a little village in Scotland...have you heard of him?

The language questions that repeatedly come up are the funniest, especially when people realise what they just asked!

 

[IrishFlyer]

Ailerongirl,

Good of you to lighten up this thread.

The best one I have been asked is

"Have you ever actually met a leprechaun?"



IF

 

[CatYaaak]

Well Catyaaak, Race is not my "thing", but I am comfortable with it. And I believe that you cannot fix a problem unless you seek the source of it. So, lets speak openly. I dont like it anymore than the next guy to have someone taking my job, foreign or domestic. I will support any legislation to protect our rights to work. HOWEVER, when Capt. Redneck meets his copilot from Ireland, you CANNOT tell me the first impression Capt Redneck has is " what as a$$hole, he is stealing my job!" I bet any money that the conversation goes more about Guinness than it is about green card. Whats between the lines here is that, when ignorant people write about things like" Go Home, green card holders can only work at Mcdonalds,etc...." , they are applying their general stereotype of lowly trained, non-english speaking workers images for professional pilots. Its not about race, its about whats between the lines. But of course, anything about race is taboo. I am sorry if I hit a sensitive spot.

You say what you wrote is "not about race", but rather "what's between the lines". Then you immediately imply "what's between the lines" is racist attitudes. So goes your circular arguments to support a card-house position.

In your childish effort to elevate yourself, you purport know what other people think and assign them hypothetical, racist attitudes to win a straw-man argument....your imaginary "Capt. Redneck" is the culprit in this case. Of course, you claiming to have some magic ability to "read between the lines" of what motivates others is essential to your little excersise, since you can provide no actual proof except applying your own prejudices to what you THINK someone else meant. How convenient. And by doing this, of course, you can smugly tell yourself how "enlightened" you are compared to all the "racists" you imagine surround you.

Personally I couldn't care less about race, therefore it's not a sensitive issue to me, and your comfort I certainly don't care about. "Race" of course isn't a taboo subject, but if you think blindly accusing others of being racist with no proof just because it fits into your imaginary, lamo Hollywood B-movie version of people is somehow something more than childish race-baiting, then I doubt your views on the subject are anything more than superficial at best.

I do, however, I find such unsubstantiated accusations and character assasinations of anyone offensive. You seem to bandy it about pretty easily. But it's obvious you hold as many stereotypes and prejudices as your go-to-in-a-debate-guy, "Capt. Redneck", which is no suprise, since you invented him. Hopefully, if you have a daughter poetic justice and my sense of comic irony will be served by her marrying someone just like him.

 

[saviboy]

I am an American as was my father, and my grandfather. However my great grandfather was a German immagrant and my grandmother was a British immigrant. They came to the US becuase they wanted to better themselves and the US. Lucky for them there were places willing to hire them. There are many non US citizens fighting in Iraq right now with a US patch on their shoulder, but we won't allow them to become citizens. While I will admit we should certainly restrict hiring from outside the US ranks (NO FRENCHIES), I do not think we should cut off our, British, Australian, Polish, and Dutch brothers.

You really think you have "brothers" among the Australian, Polish, and dutch PEOPLE just because their respective governments decided to make a deal with the current US admnistration. Just visit those countries and say that you supported the war in Irak and we 'll see how you will be welcomed by your "brothers"..
good luck, especially if you go to Spain..

 

[huncowboy]

You really think you have "brothers" among the Australian, Polish, and dutch PEOPLE just because their respective governments decided to make a deal with the current US admnistration. Just visit those countries and say that you supported the war in Irak and we 'll see how you will be welcomed by your "brothers"..
good luck, especially if you go to Spain..

ok so how about walking here in the USA and 50% of the people will hate you if you support Bush? you'll find two camps on this issue everywhere. Poland, Spain, or USA... doesn't matter.

 

[willbav8r]

Them: Oooh your British. I love your accent. Say something...
Me: Okay "Something".

But I never get tired - I've travelled the world over and nothing beats the US. Not just quality of life. Not the freedom. Not even the beauty.

It is the people.

Everyone I meet here is kind, polite and educated. There are low iq's and exceptions to the rule, but generally even those folks have at least some redeeming qualities. This is not so in other countries. Trust me on this.

So I accept the views of those on this thread and understand how they might feel. But I am no longer surprised to see concise and well thought out responses such as Ray's and others.

I read about courageous service men and women that are of this country, irrespective of their place of birth. Pat Tillman and his fellow comrades in harms way. This is the stuff of America. For the most part, this entire thread is a big reason I am proud and thankfull to call it my home. Democracy, freedom, liberty and equality.

 

[Skaz]

these are true examples of what people asked me...

lady at tuxedo shop, after finding out american sizes and european (read south african) sizes are different:" well just go to a drycleaners and have them...uh....do you have drycleaners in africa?"

american:"hi, heard your accent, where you from?"
me :"South Africa"
american :"Africa?.....but....youre white?"

american:"do the lions walk in the streets?"

or :" does the rhino attach the impala?"


sigh, guess its ok, since I dunno how ice hockey works!