Hey GVFlyer

[empenage]

Our Global has the same problems. If you touch anything before it powers up and goes through it's tests you have to reboot it. The GIV I flew for years was a early serial number and all the quirks were worked out of it. It was a good ship. The Global will be too but like all new aircraft it will take time. The real problem is with Bombardier. Support is terrible right now. Like all new aircraft there is not enough trained people to work on the dam thing. I still like crossing at .87 and FL410 and 430 and landing with a 98 Kt Ref speed. I remember back when Segrums parked both of their GV's up at HPN because of hydraulic problems. Any new ship has bugs. It will take time. But Bombardier? I cant find a excuse for them. I'd rather deal with Gulfstream right now!

My 2 Cents.

 

[fokkerjet]

At least with the Global, you have an excuse...........it was designed from scratch , I don't think our friends from Savannah can make that claim.............yet

GEXDriver. You have a sweet airplane , I walked through it a couple of months ago. All kiding aside, it's much nicer than any GV I've seen to date.

Bottom line is that makers of corporate aircraft just basically throw stuff in their aircraft so they can claim they have all the best in bells and whisles, not worrying how well the "stuff" works together. No aircraft should produce all the faults that these two aircraft seem to get just because it has "booted" itself out of order or because I've moved a switch. These aircraft should be smarter then that and they should "boot" themselves in a logical order and know that when I shut an engine down on the ground, I don't need to know that the oil pressure is low, plus a half dozen other alerts..........these are 40+ million dollar machines. My "other" toy was designed in the 60's, then redesigned and updated in the early 80's and finally shrunk in the 90's and all the automation works very well together, plus it flies like a modern aircraft should, light and nimble on the controls, a real pleasure to hand fly. Blah, blah, blah...............

GEXDriver, tell Johnny, Mike and Art hello for me.

 

[GEXDriver]

I'd still rather be flying the GV, but it's not PC to say that around here. I'm sure you understand.

 

[GVFlyer]

Hehehehe.... I think GVFlyer is a paid Gulfstream salesman "hyperster"...

That is , of course, nonsense.

I just believe in the aircraft. They are good, honest, safe, reliable, jets that haven't let me down in the 18 years I've been flying them.

It doesn't pitch up when it stalls or have stability problems on take-off, you can fly it with a complete hydraulic failure, it has safety features not available on it's competitors, and no one is sueing the manufacturer because of excessive engine failures(Bombardier).

It's engines are not prone to failure and it doesn't have an autopilot system that will kill your passengers, nor is Gulfstream being tried in criminal court for having such an autopilot (Dassault).

If a T/R inadvertently deploys, there is no way that you can cause the affected engine to produce enough thrust to cause loss of control and the death of 96 people(Fokker).

...as Andy Rooney would say it is nice to hear "The Rest of the Story!"

I believe that's Paul Harvey...

 

[LA Confidential]

I dunno…

Of all the jets I’ve flown the Gulfstream is by far, hands down the best bizjet out there. All airframes will have a quirk or two and yes there are lemons. There is a G-IV non-SP mod at SAV that engineering has nicknamed “Opus” after the cartoon penguin. Why a penguin? It’s a flightless bird.

Although I’ve never piloted a V, I have J/S on one about five or six times and all the crews have had nothing but the highest of praise for the jet.

I’m wondering if maybe you’re just biased?

Maybe you’re a Falcon man at heart… understood if that’s the case.

The G is an awesome jet, a real performer and show stopper at times. The only real complaint I have is more a pet peeve than anything else.
It’s just so big and this sometimes causes us trouble when our charters want to go into some place like Hilton Head, Boca Raton, Scottsdale or some of the closer in airports serving larger cities.

As far as BS alerts on power up, both the III and the IV all had the same characteristic, heck from what I can remember the DA-50 had a similar quirk, apply power to that baby and the chiclets pad lit up like a Christmas tree momentarily.

Hopeless I thought you said you were going to lay low for a while?
Olin said to get your butt back to work!
Oh yea you better check the schedule sheet real good cuz your gonna be pissed!

 

[LA Confidential]

That is , of course, nonsense.

I just believe in the aircraft. They are good, honest, safe, reliable, jets that haven't let me down in the 18 years I've been flying them.

It doesn't pitch up when it stalls or have stability problems on take-off, you can fly it with a complete hydraulic failure, it has safety features not available on it's competitors, and no one is sueing the manufacturer because of excessive engine failures(Bombardier).

It's engines are not prone to failure and it doesn't have an autopilot system that will kill your passengers, nor is Gulfstream being tried in criminal court for having such an autopilot (Dassault).

If a T/R inadvertently deploys, there is no way that you can cause the affected engine to produce enough thrust to cause loss of control and the death of 96 people(Fokker).







I believe that's Paul Harvey...

You forgot to mention the fact that it can be knocked out of the air by a pair of Popsicle sticks

 

[GVFlyer]

You forgot to mention the fact that it can be knocked out of the air by a pair of Popsicle sticks

I don't think I like you very much

Do you know what the difference between genius and stupidity is ? Genius has it's limits.... Those guys had to try really hard to hurt that airplane. There was a great big amber "WOW Faullt" message on the EICAS. If one bothers to open up the Quick Reference Handbook and look under "WOW Fault" it says don't move the thrust levers and select ground spoilers off. If they had of done that we wouldn't be talking about it. Instead what they were doing was trying to get the landing runway into the FMS.

The last thing on the CVR tape is these two guys taking turns uttering expletives, which was probably appropriate behavior for the situation.

GV

 

[GVFlyer]

It still flies like a truck

Ever try starting the APU at 390? I lost an IDG over the Pacific one evening and made two attempts at a start before giving up. Even Gulfstream wasn't surprised that the APU failed to start.

Fokker,

I've worked with your department since Phil R. was the Director. I know the current director Rick S. well and talk to your fine Chief Pilot, John R. often. John is the better golfer.

I know that there were some loyal Falcon pilots that thought that the Gulfstreams were forced down their throats and that Phil was ultimately dismissed after selling the two GIV's to buy two Falcons. I can understand the hard feelings. A couple of the pilots I met didn't like the Gulfstreams coming on board because the trips became longer.

I think you're biased, which is unacceptable because I'm certainly not

Anyway, I'll agree to disagree. I'll continue to think that the GV is the finest T- category jet ever made and that the 18 months of flight test was for new technology development and you can continue to like your Fokker. It's a pretty airplane.

GV

 

[FL510GV]

You wouldn't be a real pilot if you didn't defend the honor of *your* jet... I just thank God the G-V is the best one out there because it's what I'm flying right now


PS: Muddauber, interesting list of aircraft. Did you fly for EJI? Send me a PM if you did.

 

[fokkerjet]

GV

Now your getting into an automation issue. The Falcon problem, like the problems that both Boeing and Airbus have experienced, were caused by inexperienced pilots not understanding how the automation works (disconnect the autopilot before manually operating the flight controls........airmanship 101). In the Fokker crash, the aircraft gave several warnings ON THE GROUND before these guys took off, once airborne, they ignored the REVERSER UNLOCKED PROCEDURE on the MFD and pushed the throttle up.....big mistake You pretty much answered the popsicle stick issue.

Other than that, your right on one count, if you love type ratings, thisisthe place to work

Where's my Falcon..............................

 

[banned username 2]

I believe that's Paul Harvey...

D@mn, You're right! how did I miss THAT one!

Good Day!?!

 

[DC3Flyer]

Fokkerjet,

You might be flying your GV for a little longer! Your 2000 might have to wait! See ya.