Help!! Need UPS info. Please!!!

[T-Gates]

Hey, H25BCTN -

I am actually a new interviewer. Go figure. I wasn't even expecting a call that quick. I did the online application about a week or two ago and BAM! got a call. I'm very excited. But also very nervous since the gouge is so old and I haven't flown a 727 before.

Clyde,

Thank you so very much for your help. It is what everyone has been saying to do so I'm doing it. I have another question.....where can I get some 727 time (in the sim, of course)?

Congrats!! Just out of curiosity, what are your flight times, quals?

Thanks!

 

[freighterguy]

beechball:

I just purchased some 727 sim time at Alteon/DFW. The sim costs $350.00 per hour. The sim instructor (Mr. Gravy?) was awesome, he actually let me go for about 1.6 till I had had enough.

Google Alteon, call any office, and ask for the number to the DFW operation.

Also, what what your quals/times you listed on your CV/resume?

FG

 

[flybrowntails]

beechball:

i tried to send you a pm--if you didnt get it let me know--

still trying to figure out computers--i doubt they ever catch on.

fbt

 

[Clyde]

Simulator Rental:

I did a google search and found Pan Am flight academy. I'm not sure if they rent out sims or not for interview prep, but here is what they had:

B-727-200 in MSP, MIA, and MEM.

Again, not sure if these are for rent or not, but it wouldn't hurt to give them a call. I bought sim time at a place in MIA, I think it was called Aero-tech. Purchased a few hours in a DC-8. Instructor was great and really helped out a lot.

 

[beechball23]

Thanks for the "well wishes!!" I am so excited!! I believe it is going to be an A-300 sim. Wow!! Hope I can just keep that thing in the air.



I really hope to be wearing brown in the near future!!!

 

[UPSer]

If they end up using the 727 sim, ask if they will let you use the HUD!

 

[beechball23]

Thank you to all for all the information on the sims. I will have to figure that out soon!!

 

[EMB_driver2002]

Hey beechball, did you have an LOR from a UPS pilot??

 

[U-I pilot]

If they end up using the 727 sim, ask if they will let you use the HUD!

I've used it a couple times myself and giving tours and it just makes a world of difference....Tells you to idle throttles and shows flare and all......so easy.
The 727 flys nice here but I havent flown all that many sims so who knows. The DC-8 is sooooo heavy. Good luck with the Automation in the A300 if thats what they use.
Keep the tail on and you'll be good
Good luck.......

What was that about a T-6???? I could use some time.....

 

[Rhoid]

I hope to be doing that sim ride soon.

 

[T-Gates]

Does anyone have some Preperation H? This Rhoid won't go away.........

 

[Rhoid]

Does anyone have some Preperation H? This Rhoid won't go away.........

Don't worry, I'll be nice and wave to you in your Shorts as I taxi by you on ramp 9 in the 757!

 

[heavyjetpilot]

Hello all. Let me pass along a few bits of important information about the upcomming hiring at UPS and also an inside as to what it's like to work for UPS. I am a nearly 16 year Captain currently on the A-300. Was previously on the 757/767 as a long time F/O. Quality of life was more important than the money at the time. As everyone know's we are hiring "at least" 100. If I were a betting man and I am occassionally I would say somewhere near 250-300 is more realistic. But this is UPS and getting by on as little as possible is their motto. I do feel we have a diverse group of men and women on the property. Those with all amounts of qualifications. UPS does it's best to hire all races. Now as for the current hirings from what I was told (straight from those in the hiring dept.) that UPS will look at LOR(Letters of Recommendation) until you are selected by them for an interview. UPS has been questioned in the past by the EEOC about it's hiring practices and thus wants to take no chances of overlooking someone who's qualified simply because a crewmember recommended that person. Now, once you are interviewed I would seek out anyone you know here and butter them up with everything available. I can't say much for the sim rides. I have flown the old DC-8 about 15 years ago when I was a F/E. Very sluggish. The A-300 sim is very realistic to line flying. I am a IOE Captain. So I do deal with new Captains and F/O's brand new to the line. There transition is easy. The sim is very light on the controls. I do belive in automation. But if you ever fly with me you will see that I hand fly as much as possible. What I am getting at is don't be afraid in any of our sims during your ride to just hand fly. If your are current in the 727,DC-8 or A-300 then when in that sim use the automation. It will certainly impress those who watching you.
Now as for working for UPS. Night flying is difficult on the body. You are never fully rested. It's impossible to sleep soundly in the daytime. But we all manage. The schedules for new hires isn't great either. Reserve under our current contract is 16 days a month with 12 days off. Over time schedules are usually 4 days on 10 days off or 5 days on 9 days off. International trips are longer but the time off is also. We do have some three weeks on, one week off. Lots of day flying available depending on the equipment you fly. If hired I would recommend highly moving to the SDF. Like me I moved to SDF when I was hired and then moved away after 6 years on the property. It just makes your life so much better. First year pay is the lowest in the industry. But it improves greatly with time. Upgrade time to F/O could be as long as 3 years or more. To Captain I would say at a min. 12 years. Could be sooner. We are overbossed at UPS. We have about 150 flight qualified managers to only 2500 line pilots. Go figure but that's UPS. They pay for all of your lodging while in training and a full salary. Uniforms are free. All you need are shoes,socks and underware. I don't want to ramble on to long. I just feel important to see an inside view point if you don't have one. I truly enjoy working here. They treat you well if you do your job. As a Captain the pressures are there at times but I am sure it's that way any place else. Lastly and most importantly we have a union on the property. It's an in-house Union. If you don't believe in a Union then this isn't the place to work. You don't really have a choise whether to belong or not. Lastly, I wish each and everyone best wishes on an interview. Take care.

 

[de727ups]

"They treat you well if you do your job."

I know everyone has a different idea of what being treated well is, but I fly with a lot of guys who would disagree with this sentence. Myself, I've personally been treated well a few times and have gotten screwed a few times, in "abnormal" situations. Most of the time, you just do your job and go home.

I haven't seen a 4 on, 10 off, schedule since I left the 727 but those were very senior and very few....and as they continue to park the 727's, it will get worse. That's why I left. I'm an ONT guy now and we don't have lines like that. There are a few 5 on, 9 off, clean lines but they go like this: YVR-BFI-RFD, sit for three hours, IAH. Talk about a killer...those go pretty junior, though they are clean lines. There are a few other clean 5 on, 9 off, lines in ONT but they go way senior. It's much more common for lines to have one or two, very short, stuffer trips, in an otherwise clean week on, week off, line. Day flying out of the west coast can be had but the show times are often very early....like 0530ish. I'd rather fly all night then get up that early....but that's just me. In general, there are a lot of 4 day on, 3 day off, lines that work you three weeks out of the month with one week off. Personally, I don't think these are safe lines as you flip flop too much....but it's in the contract.

My Capt talked to an Airborne crew the other day in Spokane. Seems they do a ball buster but then get 24 hours off to rest up before doing it again. We do a BFI-ONT (sit three hours) BFI (sit two hours if SDF is late) GEG and then go right back out after a 10.5 hour layover. Had the next night been a long one, I would have called in fatigue. It was scheduled to be one short leg but the company always says you gotta be ready to go all night when you show....never know what's gonna happen.

I'm lucky to be very senior in my seat and have bypassed the Capt upgrade for a long time. Good schedules mean more to me than money. I'm able to avoid most of the bad lines and can fly out of my home town. All in all, I'd rather be at UPS than anywhere else and it's a great job.

"But this is UPS and getting by on as little as possible is their motto".

That pretty much sums it up. There is good and bad in that. The good is they are making money hand over fist, and always have. The bad is that they push the limits (and beyond) of our contract to squeeze out every last drop of productivity. Hopefully, our next contract will force them to build more humane schedules.

 

[sgu]

Hello all. Let me pass along a few bits of important information about the upcomming hiring at UPS and also an inside as to what it's like to work for UPS. I am a nearly 16 year Captain currently on the A-300. Was previously on the 757/767 as a long time F/O. Quality of life was more important than the money at the time. As everyone know's we are hiring "at least" 100. If I were a betting man and I am occassionally I would say somewhere near 250-300 is more realistic. But this is UPS and getting by on as little as possible is their motto. I do feel we have a diverse group of men and women on the property. Those with all amounts of qualifications. UPS does it's best to hire all races. Now as for the current hirings from what I was told (straight from those in the hiring dept.) that UPS will look at LOR(Letters of Recommendation) until you are selected by them for an interview. UPS has been questioned in the past by the EEOC about it's hiring practices and thus wants to take no chances of overlooking someone who's qualified simply because a crewmember recommended that person. Now, once you are interviewed I would seek out anyone you know here and butter them up with everything available. I can't say much for the sim rides. I have flown the old DC-8 about 15 years ago when I was a F/E. Very sluggish. The A-300 sim is very realistic to line flying. I am a IOE Captain. So I do deal with new Captains and F/O's brand new to the line. There transition is easy. The sim is very light on the controls. I do belive in automation. But if you ever fly with me you will see that I hand fly as much as possible. What I am getting at is don't be afraid in any of our sims during your ride to just hand fly. If your are current in the 727,DC-8 or A-300 then when in that sim use the automation. It will certainly impress those who watching you.
Now as for working for UPS. Night flying is difficult on the body. You are never fully rested. It's impossible to sleep soundly in the daytime. But we all manage. The schedules for new hires isn't great either. Reserve under our current contract is 16 days a month with 12 days off. Over time schedules are usually 4 days on 10 days off or 5 days on 9 days off. International trips are longer but the time off is also. We do have some three weeks on, one week off. Lots of day flying available depending on the equipment you fly. If hired I would recommend highly moving to the SDF. Like me I moved to SDF when I was hired and then moved away after 6 years on the property. It just makes your life so much better. First year pay is the lowest in the industry. But it improves greatly with time. Upgrade time to F/O could be as long as 3 years or more. To Captain I would say at a min. 12 years. Could be sooner. We are overbossed at UPS. We have about 150 flight qualified managers to only 2500 line pilots. Go figure but that's UPS. They pay for all of your lodging while in training and a full salary. Uniforms are free. All you need are shoes,socks and underware. I don't want to ramble on to long. I just feel important to see an inside view point if you don't have one. I truly enjoy working here. They treat you well if you do your job. As a Captain the pressures are there at times but I am sure it's that way any place else. Lastly and most importantly we have a union on the property. It's an in-house Union. If you don't believe in a Union then this isn't the place to work. You don't really have a choise whether to belong or not. Lastly, I wish each and everyone best wishes on an interview. Take care.

Thanks for the insight. What did you mean when you said, "Now, once you are interviewed I would seek out anyone you know here and butter them up with everything available."
I look forward to the shot at an interview.