Help!! Need UPS info. Please!!!

[hmmm]

Really disgusting that you have to know someone to get into a place like this instead of experience and a good background in international cargo operation. You'd think it would be embarrasing to ask for.

 

[Dinger]

I wouldn't call it disgusting, just discouraging. Once you get the mins, it's not what you know....but who you know! (or sometimes phrased.....it's not WHAT you do, but WHO you do).

 

[UPSer]

I wouldn't call it disgusting, just discouraging. Once you get the mins, it's not what you know....but who you know! (or sometimes phrased.....it's not WHAT you do, but WHO you do).

I guess I did it right then!

 

[Clyde]

I wouldn't call it disgusting, just discouraging. Once you get the mins, it's not what you know....but who you know! (or sometimes phrased.....it's not WHAT you do, but WHO you do).

And this is different from any other airline how? With all the competition to get into this profession, and to be more exact, this airline, you need something to set apart some from others. There are plenty of people out there who are qualified, but do they fit the profile the company is looking for? Remember, one may send in a resume that meets or exceeds the mins, but a resume cannot tell a prospective employer about his/her character.

The next best thing for the company is to rely on their own people for rec's. If a company is satisfied with one of it's own employees, chances are this person won't reccomend someone that would be a bad choice.

So, I wouldn't call it disgusting nor discouraging. It has been this way at ALL airlines for a very long time. Making connections IN ADDITION TO building your resume up is part of paying your dues. I think you will find this to be true in a lot of other industruis as well.

 

[Dinger]

Duh......obviously it is the way it works in this industry. It isn't any more so at UPS. I know you have a good job and may have taken offense. My point was that it can be discouraging if you don't know anyone at THAT AIRLINE. It isn't any different at "brown".

I am not a low-time King Air F/O hoping to make it to the majors. I realize what this industry is like......I've been there, been furloughed.

Next time I will be more clear.....and quit eatin' all my gad domn oreos clyde!

 

[Clyde]

I'm not a Baboon!!

 

[CitationMan]

I'm not a Baboon!!

Aren't you an orangutan?

 

[Clyde]

Duh......obviously it is the way it works in this industry. It isn't any more so at UPS. I know you have a good job and may have taken offense. My point was that it can be discouraging if you don't know anyone at THAT AIRLINE. It isn't any different at "brown".

I am not a low-time King Air F/O hoping to make it to the majors. I realize what this industry is like......I've been there, been furloughed.

Next time I will be more clear.....and quit eatin' all my gad domn oreos clyde!

Dinger,

No offense taken, I think I may have misread it. Yes, the tough part about brown is who you know, and getting to know the right people can be tough. However, I will say this much. I've flown with people here who had some rec's from some pretty high-up people and they say that's the only way they got here. I have also flown with people who just applied and then received a call. I'm not sure how true that is now, but I heard an unconfirmed rumor that at least one person recently was called for an interview with no rec's. Again, I emphasize that it was just a rumor and I can neither confirm nor deny it.

BTW, I'll quit eatin' your oreos if you leave more bannanas around here for me!!

 

[hmmm]

Understand

 

[RUhiring?]

Anyone know how the contract proposals have looked? Currently the starting pay is paltry and all pay is grossly behind FedEx. Have any of the pay proposals been talked about outside of negotiations?

 

[Dinger]

Clyde.....no sweat. I went back and read my post today, and I apologize for the "DUH", that was pretty uprofessional (and possibly high-schoolish). I was going to just edit it, but I figured that enough people have read it already, so I might as swallow my pride and say I'm sorrrr......I'm sorrrrrr.....I'm sooooorrrrrrrr......my bad.

 

[UPSer]

Anyone know how the contract proposals have looked? Currently the starting pay is paltry and all pay is grossly behind FedEx. Have any of the pay proposals been talked about outside of negotiations?

Nothing official, but I've heard numbers of around $125K-135K for a mid seniority F/O to around $250K-260K for a senior captain. I doubt that probationary pay will increase much since that's the companies call.

 

[de727ups]

Dear UPSer

I'm an F/O and my W2 has exceeded 140k for the last three years. No opentime. How is 125 to 135 an improvement?

 

[RUhiring?]

Mid seniority FO is now $102....if you can make $140 now, then think what you could make if the mid level was $130.Sounds to me like it could be an improvement.

 

[Clyde]

Clyde.....no sweat. I went back and read my post today, and I apologize for the "DUH", that was pretty uprofessional (and possibly high-schoolish). I was going to just edit it, but I figured that enough people have read it already, so I might as swallow my pride and say I'm sorrrr......I'm sorrrrrr.....I'm sooooorrrrrrrr......my bad.

Nah, don't worry about it. Actually, when I read it I took it as a non-offensive comical "duh", and chuckled at it. Something I would have said, so you're still o.k. in my book if that helps. No offense taken, no apology needed.