Hello Ual Goodbye Usappy

[On Your Six]

When I think about UAL and US, I think about the potential for hub overlap which may lead to downsizing:

UAL: DEN, SFO, LAX, ORD, IAD, JFK (small)

US: PHX, LAS, PHL, CLT, DCA, LGA

I guess CLT and ORD do not conflict but I see potential issues with LAX/SFO/DEN and PHX/LAS. I also see issues with IAD and DCA and potentially PHL. If any of these hubs are not performing optimally, I would guess they would be seen as potential candidates for reduction/closure. No big surprise there.

Where would these airlines seek to improve efficiencies to further reduce costs? The hubs would be a prime target. The airlines certainly won't get cost reductions willingly from labor. ORD and CLT will likely never get touched but other hubs might get more attention from the DOJ than others (DCA and IAD are a great example). Some potential divestitures might have to take place to make this deal more pallatable for the FEDs.

Overall, I am glad I am no longer a UAL employee - what a mess...

 

[lowecur]

The only way this flys is if the scalpal comes out. Doug and the Westies would like nothing better than to stick it to the Easties and they may get their wish.

This merger will be presented to the Feds as a total makeover to survive. The Feds will be told both carriers in their present form will cease to exist in the near term, and a combination will only survive with many appendages removed.

Will they get their wish?...yeah, I think so.

imp:​

 

[Deadalus]

With all of the potential consolidation going on, I'd say the dumping of ALPA at USAirways was ill-timed, to say the least. quote]


Really? After going through two ALPA/ALPA mergers myself, I'd say it's great timing! Tell us about the last ALPA merge that went well (save for the uncashed lotto ticket called Nic)?

You're kidding right? The Easties can kiss their arrogant stupid butt's goodbye.

 

[BeCareful!]

And the Westies? Who are they going to kiss?

 

[UALjan15]

When I think about UAL and US, I think about the potential for hub overlap which may lead to downsizing:

UAL: DEN, SFO, LAX, ORD, IAD, JFK (small)

US: PHX, LAS, PHL, CLT, DCA, LGA

I guess CLT and ORD do not conflict but I see potential issues with LAX/SFO/DEN and PHX/LAS. I also see issues with IAD and DCA and potentially PHL. If any of these hubs are not performing optimally, I would guess they would be seen as potential candidates for reduction/closure. No big surprise there.

Yeah, if I were in the war room trying to carve this big turkey up, I would see excess capacity in the west as an early cut. Unfortunately for AWA guys, PHX & LAS are missing the international connectivity of SFO & LAX, and might be high on the chop list. Out east, I would shutter the entire PHL operation. It's a crappy Int'l hub right now, the people and culture there are cancerous, and the airport is delay-prone. Keep as much IAD & DCA as you can get away with. As for CLT: I'm not quite sure--I like the SE exposure it garners, it's a good airport/hub in general, but I'm unsure of the yields there and whether it makes sense with a major Int'l hub just up the road in IAD.

The way I see it, a combination of these two doesn't make a ton of sense unless you start up the chainsaw and start hacking away major pieces. If those pieces could be structured to come from AAA assets (and people), all the better....but I'm just dreaming a bit there. In reality, there would be a lot of pain to be spread around all 3 employee groups. Normally, I'd say this speculation is just an exercise in mental masturbation, but I have a feeling these very discussions are happening for real as we speak.

 

[waveflyer]

to excess capacity in the west will give an opportunity for VA and WN. did network exec's not learn anything from the PSA dismantling? if that happens it might just be the foothold VA was looking for.

 

[Deadalus]

And the Westies? Who are they going to kiss?

United's ass of course.

 

[reepicheep]

The UAL guys were leery of the '94 deal, livid in 2000, and I'd imagine will be apoplectic if a USAir deal is attempted now.

Just curious, from the UAL pilot point of view, how far will you go to kill this?

 

[Deadalus]

The UAL guys were leery of the '94 deal, livid in 2000, and I'd imagine will be apoplectic if a USAir deal is attempted now.

Just curious, from the UAL pilot point of view, how far will you go to kill this?

Their management unfortunately has steered them onto a course where a merger is required for their survival.

 

[PCL_128]

Really? After going through two ALPA/ALPA mergers myself, I'd say it's great timing! Tell us about the last ALPA merge that went well (save for the uncashed lotto ticket called Nic)?

Your dimwitted uSCABa reps can't even panhandle for enough money from the pilots to get an election put together for legitimate new reps. You think they can effectively arbitrate an SLI? Ha!

 

[Colonel Savage]

Your dimwitted uSCABa reps can't even panhandle for enough money from the pilots to get an election put together for legitimate new reps. You think they can effectively arbitrate an SLI? Ha!

Someone posted on another forum:

"I'm not sure if this is true but, rumor has it that per Bond-McCatskill, when two airlines merge that are represented by different unions the SLI must be DOH?
I'm not trying to flame, but does anyone know if this is true?

If so, the East guys made a brilliant move for themselves....."

Does that sound valid, PCL?

 

[PCL_128]

It's not true. Bond-McCaskill only requires ALG-Mohawk LPPs, which say nothing of DOH. The LPPs are basically identical to ALPA merger policy. They require negotiations, then mediation, then arbitration. The directions to the arbitrator are "fair and equitable."

 

[weasel_lips]

If I get nothing more out of this than the pleasure of seeing usappy go bust it will be well worth it. Bradford you are your band of goones will soon get what's coming to you. Remember this if nothing else in your life, GOD don't like ugly!!!!

WD.

You speaking from experience?

 

[f15boomer]

It's not true. Bond-McCaskill only requires ALG-Mohawk LPPs, which say nothing of DOH. The LPPs are basically identical to ALPA merger policy. They require negotiations, then mediation, then arbitration. The directions to the arbitrator are "fair and equitable."

Once again you talk out of yor a--s. It will be DOH. Read it again

 

[PCL_128]

Once again you talk out of yor a--s. It will be DOH. Read it again

Some of you guys are real mental midgets. Go do some research. DOH is nowhere to be found in the LPPs or in Bond-McCaskill.