Hawaiian

[Jim]

I was told by an ALPA rep that the company has said if they decide there will be 5 or more t-props, they'd like to talk about putting them on our seniority list.

 

[HA25]

I was told by an ALPA rep that the company has said if they decide there will be 5 or more t-props, they'd like to talk about putting them on our seniority list.

wouldn't that make for a nice president? I would be shocked however if that were the case.

 

[slatsnfive]

HA25, Jim, my apologies, I forgot to include you both in as reliable sources for the question I asked. Appreciate the insight.

Seems Cape Air, other than American Eagle, have a U.S ATR 121 certificate, and to acquire a 121 certificate is a lengthy process, what is a possible next step? I was hearing local hires, yet if hired, would have been placed on the Cape Air seniority list.

If less than five ATRs, would still be a separate subsidiary possibly?

Respectfully,
slatsnfive

 

[Jim]

Dunkerely has always put 5 as the magic number to support any aircraft wrt to parts inventory, training, etc. Less than 5 will most likely have the flying contracted out to someone else who flies the same type of aircraft.

My ALPA rep said that the company realized making a separate certificate with it's own Dir of Ops, Dir of Maint, CP, etc was very expensive and it would probably be better to bring them on our list if we can agree on terms, pay, etc.

 

[FLYN4LVE]

HA25, Jim, my apologies, I forgot to include you both in as reliable sources for the question I asked. Appreciate the insight.

Seems Cape Air, other than American Eagle, have a U.S ATR 121 certificate, and to acquire a 121 certificate is a lengthy process, what is a possible next step? I was hearing local hires, yet if hired, would have been placed on the Cape Air seniority list.

If less than five ATRs, would still be a separate subsidiary possibly?

Respectfully,
slatsnfive

WP??? Hmmmmm

 

[HA25]

WP??? Hmmmmm

Word Processor? Western Pacific? Care to expand on your cryptic post?

 

[BentOver]

I think WP is the code for some regional airline? No idea which one...maybe Island Air, but that would make no sense since Hawaiian already codeshares with them and is unhappy with their dispatch reliability.

But I'm sure there will be a bunch of regional pilots on the mainland salivating at the idea of flying a T-prop under Hawaiian's name... Unfortunately none of the regional carriers pay enough of a livable wage to afford to live out here.

I hope Hawaiian somehow keeps it in house OR at the very least starts their own certificate. Having a regional airline come here with it's "people skills" may not bode well for the Hawaiian name...

I've been on a few Go! flights and lets just say I was less than impressed with the service, the gate people, the flight and everything all around.

 

[HA25]

might not be the most popular thing to say, but the most important thing for me is that we provide our customers with service to Lanai and Moloka'i... by giving them seamless service to those islands, this feeds our A330 and 767 operations which is frankly a better business practice than flying 1/2 empty 717's or having infrequent flights which might not line up well with connection times...

win/win

 

[FLYN4LVE]

might not be the most popular thing to say, but the most important thing for me is that we provide our customers with service to Lanai and Moloka'i... by giving them seamless service to those islands, this feeds our A330 and 767 operations which is frankly a better business practice than flying 1/2 empty 717's or having infrequent flights which might not line up well with connection times...

win/win

I hope your high up on Hawaiian's seniority list, because a reduction in 717's probably means people on the street. At least until there is more expansion/planes.

WP is indeed Island Air. You must be new to Hawaii!

 

[HA25]

I hope your high up on Hawaiian's seniority list, because a reduction in 717's probably means people on the street. At least until there is more expansion/planes.

There is NO reduction to 717 flying that goes against the CBA from what I have been able to discern. We are seeing lower inter-island bookings is why we're slightly cutting back 717 flying, but to offset this there is significant A330 vacancy opening up next bid... they are hiring 40 more this window, and 50-60 more in the Summer window... so furloughs (nothing is ever guaranteed in this industry) are unlikely.

Would I rather see the ATR's on our list? yep... is it likely going to be negotiation item that the MEC wants to use up capital on? I doubt it.. there is no industry president for it... it would be VERY expensive to do. The company woud likely have to come to the pilots with the idea, not the other way around.

WP is indeed Island Air. You must be new to Hawaii!

correct... new to the Island, but not the industry... 20+ years in it now... last time I cared about a commuter airline was in the mid/late 90's when I worked for one (ASA)... so I dont' keep up with their airline codes.. sorry.

 

[FLYN4LVE]

correct... new to the Island, but not the industry... 20+ years in it now... last time I cared about a commuter airline was in the mid/late 90's when I worked for one (ASA)... so I dont' keep up with their airline codes.. sorry.

20+ years! wow, my apologies. You must be a really senior pilot at HAL.

 

[HA25]

20+ years! wow, my apologies. You must be a really senior pilot at HAL.

lol... far from it! VERY junior as a matter of fact. Most people don't just jump into a job like HAL inside of a handful of years... not one's from the mainland at least.

I was hired at American in 2001 and have been on a tour of failing airlines and contract jobs for the past 12 years... but that's a topic for another thread.

 

[BentOver]

I hope your high up on Hawaiian's seniority list, because a reduction in 717's probably means people on the street. At least until there is more expansion/planes.

WP is indeed Island Air. You must be new to Hawaii!

With hiring going on, and forecasted throughout next year. Furloughs (knock on wood) don't really seem to fit the profile.... Gaining market share on the islands that cannot be serviced by a 717 does... All part of doing business....

And like HA25, keeping up with the airline identifiers is not on most of our minds unless it is DL, UA, AA, US, HA, SW... We tend to not squabble over who's flying is who's and that sort of thing. Been there done that, got the t-shirt....

 

[Microclimates]

... Meanwhile: SYD twice daily three times a week starting Spring. Taipei three times a week starting July...

 

[BentOver]

Anyone taking bets on future destinations?

I'm going with places like Singapore and Hong Kong

 

[HAL]

Anyone taking bets on future destinations?

I'm going with places like Singapore and Hong Kong

Singapore is too far for the 330's unless we block off seats and ignore cargo, so that will have to wait for the 350's. HKG is much more likely, as well as a handful of eastern-U.S. & Canadian cities too. There's probably a couple more cities in Japan we could tap into also, like Nagoya and Hiroshima.

HAL

 

[Dan Roman]

What HAL says plus.........Mainland China is almost a given. Melbourne after Brisbane establishes itself and I recently saw Jakarta is on the radar.

 

[HA25]

Singapore is too far for the 330's unless we block off seats and ignore cargo, so that will have to wait for the 350's. HKG is much more likely, as well as a handful of eastern-U.S. & Canadian cities too. There's probably a couple more cities in Japan we could tap into also, like Nagoya and Hiroshima.

HAL

So I got to meet the famous "Dan Roman" in the crew room the other day with his sporty beard! Need to meet you too HAL!

Just look for the lost looking newhire with no tie and pressed shirt, polished shoes and brand new hat on!

 

[HAL]

Just look for the lost looking newhire with no tie and pressed shirt, polished shoes and brand new hat on!

After our hiring spree the past few years, that narrows it down to a couple of hundred.

HAL

 

[HA25]

After our hiring spree the past few years, that narrows it down to a couple of hundred.

HAL

Exciting times indeed! Just a bit scary too..... hoping no bubble effect occurs. It will be interesting to see where those A350s end up going. I tried.to corner the CEO when he came to talk to us about places like London, Paris or Amsterdam and he just chuckled and said with that plane, everything is possible. ..