Has it really come to this

[CommanderHoek]

A buddy just told me that he met a chick at the MIA Aeroservice job fair and she has 800 total time, maybe 150 in King Airs, No college and No FE written or even an A&P. She was hired by Arrow on the DC8 as an FE. Asked to sign a two year contract, then was called by Kalitta to be an FE on the 747. Apparently they (Kalitta) told her she would be an FO in about six months. She is on her way to DEN to interview but because she will be hired initially as an FE, there will be no Sim. I am seriously having a hard time believeing all this. Either she is full of **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**, my friend is, or Arrow and Kalitta are really REALLY desperate. If any of this is true all you wannabes out there should start calling. I would say however that getting through a DC8/747 FE course is highly unlikey with such low time. What a crazy biz.

 

[Fly BI]

Ren,

Two points to consider, 1) She's a woman 2) If she resides in Miami, there is a good chance she is a member of a minority group.

The government loves to see companies hire from these groups, especially those who do a lot of work for the government like Arrow and Kalitta.

I would just congratulate her and let it go.

 

[wingnutt]

...that or marry her

 

[VABB]

A buddy just told me that he met a chick at the MIA Aeroservice job fair and she has 800 total time, maybe 150 in King Airs, No college and No FE written or even an A&P. She was hired by Arrow on the DC8 as an FE. Asked to sign a two year contract, then was called by Kalitta to be an FE on the 747. Apparently they (Kalitta) told her she would be an FO in about six months. She is on her way to DEN to interview but because she will be hired initially as an FE, there will be no Sim. I am seriously having a hard time believeing all this. Either she is full of **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**, my friend is, or Arrow and Kalitta are really REALLY desperate. If any of this is true all you wannabes out there should start calling. I would say however that getting through a DC8/747 FE course is highly unlikey with such low time. What a crazy biz.

CommanderHoek,

She may only have 800TT, barely 150 hours in King Airs, no college, no FE written and no A&P. But, she also has 121 experience when she flew for United. That's what got her the job.

 

[b747dogg]

This is unbelievable!!! With 800 TT anyone is over qualified for Arrow.

How much time do you think someone should have before they become a FE for a bottom feeder? This was the norm in the 90's. Do you think a company like Arrow cares about a college degree? Do you think the getting a FE ticket is that hard and that you need lots of exprience???

 

[FO 4 Life]

Sounds like a perfect candidate to me. When I flew freight, the company loved pilots with a skeleton in the closet. DUI,etc. Meant they couldn't go anywhere else and would bend over for the company just for giving them the job. She has no college so she not a threat to leave and go to some other airline.

 

[Flic1]

Doesn't sound too unrealistic. Wasn't that the average United newhire back in the late 90's??

 

[GAcfi]

I believe we know what got Her the job, and it wasn't experience.

 

[dixieflyer]

The fruits of affirmative action. Being a member of the "victim class" has its benefits.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Welcome to aviation

 

[FlyBunny]

with all due respect to your awesome flight experience and 'god-given' gift for flying...why are you in competition with this 'women' who you've already labeled as perhaps from a minority group, and the one who got the job not for her experience...so, let's say...she did get hired by affirmative action...OK...what...15% of total hiring had to be minority? All right...so they hired 15% of minorities who didn't meet the 'god-given' skills that all of you possess...over and done with...

now let's talk about the other 85%....the real pilots, with real experience, with genuinely gifted skills....pilots like yourselves....

who are you in competition with?
the bottom 15% or the top 85%?

Wouldn't exceptionally skilled, educated, trained, and gifted pilots like yourselves be interested in taking up the competition of the other 85%?
I hear that a lot...oh, I didn't get that job because of that women/minority/both, etc...

It's amazing how openly all you guys admit the level of hiring you want to compete in...the bottom 15%...

Rather than letting this one ruin your sleep, let is go...and strive to compete with the top 85% who are in your league...and 85% is a lot of room to play with...

 

[Dart]

Good luck!! Its going to hard for her.

 

[dixieflyer]

minority wonder

Fly bunny,


With 1200 hrs of PA44 and Cherokee 6 time I bet you must be furloughed United pilot.

 

[iaflyer]

It is probably true that she'll upgrade to FO that quickly. It's a great opportunity for her - 747 FO with that little time? A lot of foreign carriers train pilots with low time for the right seat on all types of aircraft, heavies included. Of course, any FE who wants to transition to the right seat has to pass the FO training.

I for one can't understand why the company is hiring SOs. I mean, by the time they are trained, it's time to go to upgrade to the right seat.

Kalitta needs FOs - the next class is going to have 20 FOs and 12 FEs. Possibly it's just getting hard to find PFEs. Only cargo companies really have engineers as it is (I know NWA has engineers on the -200 and the DC10, but are they going to leave NWA for Kalitta? All the younger FEs are ex-military or reserve guys.

iaflyer

 

[aviatrix]

FlyBunny,
Might I suggest that you please do not post such things? It's somewhat embarrassing to my gender.
The screen name leaves a bit to be desired also. It's a job, not Ladies' Night out there!