Has it really come to this

[whiskytangofoxt]

Can't we all get along?

 

[nosewheel]

Iv'e had the pleasure of flying with both of the women at Kalitta ( one Capt and one an FO) and found them to be just as competent as there Male counterparts. I would be proud and honored to fly with them again if I hadn't quit working at this scumbag excuse for an Airline. Also many of the guys that came here from the majors are dropping like flies in the first year and the word is getting out that Kalitta is NOT the place to be unless your desperate. It's a great way to build heavy time and a great bunch of pilots to work with.

 

[Xfr8dog]

Kalitta has 2 women out of what? 170 crew members? Is that about 1 percent? Obviously some preferential hiring going on here! Must be all that pressure from the government!


hahaha.... oh man!

 

[inline]

Well la de da! It's funny that us ladies supposedly have got it made in aviation. We don't need any experience, just good old affirmative action. If that's the case, let me ask you this.....why hasn't FedEx or UPS called me yet? I mean, I have only been applying there for the past 4 years. I exceed their mins so what is the deal? I put down that I am a female on the app. Come on, what's up? I mean, I think that they have a lot of white guys in current classes. What the heck? Why aren't they calling me? Maybe I am overqualified for a chick? Come on dude, enlighten me.

You haven't been called because you're not a former or current USAF, Marine, Navy or AG pilot.

 

[Boogenagen]

I heard the cutie Mellisa furloughed from U Air is a Capt. at Kalitta. True ? definately a cute face to look at on those long trips...

 

[capt. megadeth]

You haven't been called because you're not a former or current USAF, Marine, Navy or AG pilot.

Ha ha, exactly.

 

[capt. megadeth]

I think that you are a little ignorant to say that women don't have an easier time getting hired at a lot of companies than men. While some companies may not practice it as much as others, some definately do. I know of a few instances where women have been hired at United with little or no turbine time at all. I have even seen if happen at the company that I work for.

The United thing has to die already. Ok, so they had a lawsuit and had to hire a bunch of women. That's one airline. Some of you guys are going to milk that one until the day you die. I am still waiting for your answer as to why FedEx or UPS hasn't called me since it is so "easy" for me to get hired because I am a woman.

 

[leardrivr]

I can't say that I blame the lady for taking the job, as I would do the same thing if I where in her shoes. I think that it is great that we live in a society where women and minorities have the same opportunities as everyone else.
However, I think that affirmitive action is sexist and racist in that the whole philosphy of affirmitive action is that since someone is a women or a minority, they are automatically less qualified and so they need more help than everyone else. Wouln't it be nice if flying qualifications were the only thing that prospective employers looked at and not sex and race?

Assuming this pilot candidate was hired with only 800 hrs total time which I highly doubt. Lets try to keep our eyes on the ball here. We are flying old worn out airplane to some of the most remote areas of the world. I have had many discussions with crewmembers about having s/o's and nobody is happy about it. PFE'S are worth there weight in gold in this type of operation. If the company did hire someone with low experience the candidate wont make it very far with the crews weather the person is male or female.

 

[CommanderHoek]

Exactly My Point

I cannot see ANYONE getting through a full FE program with such low experience unless you're an A&P/Military. I'm saying that I don't hear of anyone else getting hired at Kalitta with such low time otherwise EVERY REGIONAL GUY/GAL WOULD BE RUNNING OVER THERE, just for a chance to fly a 747. Something is certanly fishy I say. As far as Fed Ex and UPS are concerened, they are "REAL" airlines and EVERYONE must be qualified, plus know someone. I think she is getting hired because; a) Woman (not a lot at Kalitta) b) she is cute, c) she has such low experienec and NO DEGREE that Kalitta/Arrow figures if she makes it through, where is she gonna go. She has an opportunity to fly ATR's overseas and I have told my friend to tell her to go do that for a year then come back to Kalitta/Arrow.

 

[b747dogg]

I cannot see ANYONE getting through a full FE program with such low experience unless you're an A&P/Military. I'm saying that I don't hear of anyone else getting hired at Kalitta with such low time otherwise EVERY REGIONAL GUY/GAL WOULD BE RUNNING OVER THERE, just for a chance to fly a 747. Something is certanly fishy I say. As far as Fed Ex and UPS are concerened, they are "REAL" airlines and EVERYONE must be qualified, plus know someone. I think she is getting hired because; a) Woman (not a lot at Kalitta) b) she is cute, c) she has such low experienec and NO DEGREE that Kalitta/Arrow figures if she makes it through, where is she gonna go. She has an opportunity to fly ATR's overseas and I have told my friend to tell her to go do that for a year then come back to Kalitta/Arrow.

Why do you think 800 hours is not enough time to get a FE ticket. Years ago everyone in my FE class except me and an eagle guy had less than 500 hours. No A&Ps. Do you think Arrow, Kalitta or any other bottom feeder care about a degree? I really don't think that job line for the FE position at Arrow is full of qualified regional pilots, male or female.

 

[nosewheel]

I flew a short time at Ryan Int. and, while sitting in the hub in DAY spoke with a girl (21 years old) who had just graduated from Emery Riddle. She was an FE with all of 50 hours. Made me feel real old.

 

[Flybet3]

You guys need to stop b!tch!ng and dont HATE, CONGRATULATE. Yeah so the girl has only 800 TT and yeah maybe she might not get to far with her little experience. But lets wish her the best, we all know that when we had 800 hour we would've given anything to be on a 747. So stop acting like a bunch of A$$wh0l!es. Obviously she got the job because she had the right attitude and personality, and all of you cry babies didnt get it b/c you are a bunch of dics.

 

[CommanderHoek]

My point is being missed

Kalitta/Arrow fly to some very off the beaten path places. Now let's say she makes it through. she only has 150 hours in a Kig Air. Now, in the middle of the night in say Al Karaj or Lima or Quito, the airplane has some issues like fueling etc.. You are telling me that she or anyone with that low time will take care of the problem. I flew both the 8 and 74 classic and had 3000 when I flew the 8 and about 5000 when I flew the classic. I flew all over the place and let me tell you it was tough training and duty. I'd like to know where you were that people with 500 hours of time were hired as FE's cause that means they were S/O's. Domestic is one thing where you have MX support but on your own overseas is another thing. I wish this was going on when I was trying to come up. The best you could do was 300 hours, a FE turboprop written for a L188 FE job at Zantop.

Another thing I am wondering, with so many people on the street and so many regional pilot's, how come Kalitta/Arrow/Gemini/etc... are having so many problems finding crews. **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** what a crazy business this is.

 

[nosewheel]

Ren

The reason Kalitta is hireing these people is because they can abuse,intimidate and threaten them with there jobs. Most of us with many years as frieght dogs won't take that $hit and they know it. Connie would also LOVE to get rid of the higher paid senior guys for the fly for food group. With all the serious mechanical failure's ( eg: 27 engines last year ) among other events and No accidents, Connie is lucky to have had the dedicated and experienced professionals working at Kalitta so far. If not for these crewmembers he would have been shut down a long time ago !

 

[FreightNazi]

The United thing has to die already. Ok, so they had a lawsuit and had to hire a bunch of women. That's one airline. Some of you guys are going to milk that one until the day you die. I am still waiting for your answer as to why FedEx or UPS hasn't called me since it is so "easy" for me to get hired because I am a woman.

I can tell you that as for UPS, if you don't have an internal referral, it doesn't matter who you are, you aren't going to get called.

 

[Xfr8dog]

What Flybet3 said!!!

 

[Vspeeds]

Low Time Folks!!!!!

It's kinda hard for me to fathom a person (irregardless of SEX & RACE) will be able to pass ground school as an FE(of a 747). Or if is able to, can trouble shoot or play an "Effective" part as a cockpit crew. After all I believe an FE is no doubt an INTEGRAL crew member in the cockpit.
Personally I would be kinda leery of his/her capabilities.

What do ya'll think?

P.S. I am just voicing my thoughts & not trying to hurt anybody's feelings!

 

[pilotyip]

What the lack of a college degree have to do with anything, it has nothing to do with flying an airplane, working a panel, or dispatching an airplane. According to Air Inc 172 out of 177 airlines interviewing do not require a college degree.

 

[Flybet3]

What the lack of a college degree have to do with anything, it has nothing to do with flying an airplane, working a panel, or dispatching an airplane. According to Air Inc 172 out of 177 airlines interviewing do not require a college degree.

I agree, some people go to college and obtain a degree in something they dont even care about! or even get a degree and never use it, they just obtain it b/c they think it will make them more comp. Unless you plan to do anything with that degree, its completely worthless. It's like going to get a type rating is the Concord just to make your resume look good.

 

[MVSW]

I graduated with a girl last may with 500TT, and now she is sitting in a 2 year old lear. Umm...I have a ATP with 1650TT and cant even get a job!!! If you have 2 headlights, then your IN!!

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