Gulfstream Airlines uses car parts!

[s3jetman]

yea been renting out the right seat since 1991 with thousands of hours and flights with never a single fatal accident, more than some of the "professional airlines" can say! Most be some bad pilots in the seats. or maybe its that crappy training they make the pilots recieve! I was part of the training department for 6 years and i have seen it all from 250hr wonder kids to 4000 hr furloughed pilots. As a captain in know whats safe and what is being done to make a statement. If someone wants to make a statement they need to make sure they can back it up. I make myself clear on providing my passengers with a safe flight, and management has never given me a prob.

 

[Skywest Pylot]

If someone wants to make a statement they need to make sure they can back it up.

I still don't understand how the captain's actions weren't backed up by the conditions. So you don't think the company was trying to make a statement by firing the guy?

 

[Cardinal]

As a captain in know whats safe and what is being done to make a statement. If someone wants to make a statement they need to make sure they can back it up.

There is one particular route in my airline's network that I won't fly without TCAS. Got a problem with that? Think I should be fired? I think I should get a freakin medal for sparing my pax an unplanned Cessna forking.

The guy had a rational, if conservative, basis for refusal. Anytime you take a stand there's a chance of a carpet dance, but fired? I'm glad this guy is getting in the papers, put some heat on the scabs that fired him.

 

[Daytonaflyer]

South Florida: Sunny place. Shady people.

-Brett

True, but everybody in South Florida is either from the Northeast or another country. Nobody's actually from S. Florida anymore.

 

[CX880]

If someone wants to make a statement they need to make sure they can back it up. I make myself clear on providing my passengers with a safe flight, and management has never given me a prob.

Your airline uses car parts on airplanes with poor unsuspecting passengers. By the way you guys probably produce pilots with a reputation because the instructors with 6 years experience have only 850 hours of actual flight time.

 

[Ezralite]

GIA began ordering from company A directly and did it for some time before this was a prob. Never a safety factor but when GIA learned this could not be done it was corrected

It was corrected when GIA found out it couldn't be done or when the FAA found out it was happening? Do you really believe GIA didn't know what was going on? Yeah, keep sucking on the Kool Aid bud.

 

[Minimaniac]

Maybe at a 135 operation but I have never seen this type of thing at a 121 airline. If you have to take pictures of the flight log to keep the company honest then you need to change airlines. If you accept this it will continue. That along with pencil whipping is why I left 135 flying.

Sadly, this was a 121 operation. Fortunately the "reason" I felt compelled to duplicate log pages is no longer with the company, but old habits die hard. And by photographing the log pages, I was no longer accepting the shadiness. That was my way of taking a stand... direct proof stands up so much better than anecdotal evidence in any discussion with the company.

 

[WSurf]

The guy had a rational, if conservative, basis for refusal. Anytime you take a stand there's a chance of a carpet dance, but fired? I'm glad this guy is getting in the papers, put some heat on the scabs that fired him.

I agree, why fire him? Call out a reserve pilot to fly the route. I remember the Eagle ATR guy that got fired after taking off and returning to the airport after picking up a bunch of ice (this after the Eagle Crash in Indiana showing that the ATR was suspected of Ice Bridging). Eagle said you go or your fired. Didn't that dude win millions of dollars in his lawsuit? It would have saved them millions to just call out a reserve pilot.

I am sure if Gulfstream had a chance to do this again they wouldn't have fired him knowing the heat it would bring on them.

 

[s3jetman]

cx880 sorry i do not update my hours every 2 legs just so i can justify myself. if i am a captain then i think you know how many hours i have. I was on lost medical for 5 years 3months and 4 days. If i stuck with it this long it is because i believe that aviation is the best thing in the world. It sad when people dont know the whole story but talk like they have first hand knowledge. Just like any accident it was not just the denial of the ac, it was many other things that had led up to his termination. I have nothing against the guy he is a great guy and had him in one of my classes i instructed, i think he made a poor choice on handling the situation. true if GIA knew the outcome the situtiaon may have been handled diff. just as many companies sometimes make poor decisions.

 

[CheeseDick]

In Gulfstreams defense...

...You can buy a landing light bulb for the beechjet at Tractor Supply company. It's the same box, has the FAA PMA number on it, the difference it's it's $24 at Tractor Supply and $200+ from some other parts dealers.

Maybe they've run into the same situation.

 

[BOHICAgain]

cx880 sorry i do not update my hours every 2 legs just so i can justify myself. if i am a captain then i think you know how many hours i have. I was on lost medical for 5 years 3months and 4 days. If i stuck with it this long it is because i believe that aviation is the best thing in the world. It sad when people dont know the whole story but talk like they have first hand knowledge. Just like any accident it was not just the denial of the ac, it was many other things that had led up to his termination. I have nothing against the guy he is a great guy and had him in one of my classes i instructed, i think he made a poor choice on handling the situation. true if GIA knew the outcome the situtiaon may have been handled diff. just as many companies sometimes make poor decisions.

He did not make a bad decision. He made what he thought was a good choice. If he would have taken the flight and had a mid air you would be on here telling everybody that no way you would have taken that a/c. The management team is a POS at GIA. As for the MX it is horrible. A buddy of mine took an airplane from a C check only to shut down an engine on the 1st flight due to no oil. They forgot to put oil and the inspector never did his job just signed it off. No pressurization, No TCAS on my 5th leg. I dont think so

 

[BuckMurdock1]

yea you tell him shon!!! You have soooo much experience and knowledge to impart on everybody what with your 1600 hours and fresh ATP

 

[PBRstreetgang]

In Gulfstreams defense...

...You can buy a landing light bulb for the beechjet at Tractor Supply company. It's the same box, has the FAA PMA number on it, the difference it's it's $24 at Tractor Supply and $200+ from some other parts dealers.

Maybe they've run into the same situation.

CD,
That is exactly the situation, bottom line is the PMA process is to prevent this type of problem. As an average A&P, you cannot tell the difference on many parts, the part number is all you have to go with. This is the very same behavior that brought the Alaska MD80 down off SBA, cutting corners on MX, where do you draw the line? No excuse for knowingly violating the FARs, this is just another cheap shoddy company looking to increase profits by using unapproved parts. Shut the funkers down via massive fines!
PBR

 

[BuckMurdock1]

And another thing s3Jetman(funny name from a guy who doesn't have 1 hour of jet time) It says alot about an outfit when they use a 500 hr wonder pilot who lost his medical in a car accident to teach their ground school for almost 5 years. yeah that lends legitimacy to their scumbag scab owned and operated outfit.

Gulfstream's time has come. I hope you have your resume updated. Although I doubt it will matter. I know lots of people have moved on to good jobs after Gulfstream, you just wont be one of them!!! Enjoy your 8 legs a day in the sweltering heat for crap pay it's all you'll ever know

 

[Lilah]

Car parts, airplanes? Not a good combination. A friend of mine had flown this plane many times, and the operator had a reputation of being a cheapskate...

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20001208X05545&ntsbno=FTW96FA183&akey=1

 

[stuart716]

And another thing s3Jetman(funny name from a guy who doesn't have 1 hour of jet time) It says alot about an outfit when they use a 500 hr wonder pilot who lost his medical in a car accident to teach their ground school for almost 5 years. yeah that lends legitimacy to their scumbag scab owned and operated outfit.

Gulfstream's time has come. I hope you have your resume updated. Although I doubt it will matter. I know lots of people have moved on to good jobs after Gulfstream, you just wont be one of them!!! Enjoy your 8 legs a day in the sweltering heat for crap pay it's all you'll ever know

damn dude, someone must of peed in your cheerios this morning. i dont see why it matters if he has 500 hours, 5000 hours or no hours at all. if he can teach a ground school class then he can teach.

 

[1.3XVso]

Bo

Bohimian or Bohica,

I flew with a copilot that said flew with you @ GIA. He said that you were one cocky son of a BEAOOTCH. I also heard that you think you fly now a freaking shuttle for nasa and ********************. Way to go doosh. But i heard otherwise that your the best stick in compass. your next step is to go to NASA( i think they lowered the MINS)

 

[nimtz]

Shocking that a company with Tom Cooper as a founder is shady on mx. Ask any rEAL pilot and they'll tell you Cooper belongs in the darkest chamber of SCAB hell!

 

[Gator1999]

You missed one little detail: the pressurization was also deferred. That means he's stuck below 10,000, in dense GA traffic, moving at ~230 knots, with a broken TCAS.

I would have refused a plane in the same scenario, too.

At NJA our Ultras fly around all day without TCAS in the same kind of airspace...I don't see any of our guys refusing to fly em.

 

[BOHICAgain]

Bohimian or Bohica,

I flew with a copilot that said flew with you @ GIA. He said that you were one cocky son of a BEAOOTCH. I also heard that you think you fly now a freaking shuttle for nasa and ********************. Way to go doosh. But i heard otherwise that your the best stick in compass. your next step is to go to NASA( i think they lowered the MINS)

Thats probably the last thing I am. I know I suck and I am so happy I have an autopilot so I don't have to scare anyone.

Don't know why you are hating on me.

Didn't bash anyone but GIA management so that leads me to believe you are one of them.