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Too All,

How every time a PFT thread comes up it always turns of the be the same old crap CFI's Vs PFTs. Come on give it a rest, this is a fourm that should be used to advise and help people who ever needs it, but it always turns out to be a bashing contest. the sad part there are no winners here, but yet next week someone asks a pft question and its the same old song over and over again.

As Far as GA is concered, around FXE right where there based, alot of flight schools are having a difficult time keeping there doors open. GA is not the 1st school to shut its doors and sure won't be the last at FXE. Like 1 of there own pilots said GA in terms of a bigger fleet has not grown in 5years.

Another thing I have seen in the General Aviation flying Mags, have you noticed alot less ads by flight training schools.

I think some people dont seem to get it around here CFIing is not for everyone, yes I truly believe that you come out been a better pilot and you learn alot with the experience. For me personally I don't think i would make to be a good instructor, i would not want to waste someones money in giving them what they came to pay for. As if i was the student I would want that CFI to be 100% commited in teaching me how to fly.

There is other ways and 1 of those to build experience is PFTing, how do I view it ? well after reading and searching this and other fourms about peoples views, i would generally agree that a person who pays for training, and after all thats what they are paying for along with some hours in a aircraft. could be taking away a job from someone that the airline should be paying them, and i am not talking about $8/hr, like $16-$20/hr.

But this is after all far from a perfect world, so for the most part the above goes out the window. I do feel it really is a shame that airlines have to make pilots pay to fly there aircraft, its almost a win/win deal for them. But like it has already been said unless professional pilots take a stand againest PFT type companies there is always going to me many many pilots out there who would fly for nothing just to try and get ahead, people out there who do that undermine and also make it harder for any other pilot out there, would wants to get paid what they have been trained and spent thousands to someday be compensated.

Then again look at all the Pilots who have accepted a job, Airline/company pays for there training and then within a few weeks they have jumped airline due to the garden been greener on the other side.

Or what about the 6000/hr+ pilot who gets laid off from 121 major that he got paid $90000+/yr, but b/c he can't get anything else he is forced to accept a 19K/yr position as a FO for some smaller airline. what about the little guy who is trying to get in the door, Is that right ? . Well its happing right now.

Where is this all leading to, i don't know, rambing thoughts

The last 2 points I would like to make is that i have never seen an article in a Mag or an Airline, or anykind of Pilot
association that has taking a stand againest PFT schools saying that your pilots will be blacklisted or a Major aviation spokes person stating that PFT wrong. Why is that ?

And my last point is, as far as the airlines as concered, as long as you meet there requirements and you are able to pass all the tests, checkrides etc.... , its seems they will hire you, if you had chosen the CFI or the PFT route, as long as you are able to do the job you where hired for.
 
1.3- You didn't read my post- Gulfstream is not PFT. If you went to Flight Safety with a conditional offer of employment after passing their training that would be PFT. We can argue about PFT but IT is not sleazy like renting the right seat which Gulfstream is doing. I wish you success in your career and I truly hope you will alter course. The renting of a seat does nothing but lower the industry. If you ever try to show your ID at the counter and ride on my airplane you had better get that thumb moistened cause you will not ride on my plane!
 
Wil,


Again I tried to be professional and honest and yet you have to come out and offend me. Dude were you beaten up while in school? Again I'm not going to alter my plans as far as i know its a pretty good so far. Id rather rent a b1900 then a seminole or a aztec flying VFR to airports around florida. But you know what Wil your right. I'm a piece of $hit and you are god.;) ;)
 
wil,

If you ever try to show your ID at the counter and ride on my airplane you had better get that thumb moistened cause you will not ride on my plane!

hahaha wow.... an you work for an airline? I think its more like if I ever find out your my pilot I'll do myself a favor an walk off. Dude, time to grow up!

And sense I know your wondering. No I do not attend GA or have any say about PFT. I just like getting good laughs from people like u!
 
ChadCRJ said:
wil,



hahaha wow.... an you work for an airline? I think its more like if I ever find out your my pilot I'll do myself a favor an walk off. Dude, time to grow up!

And sense I know your wondering. No I do not attend GA or have any say about PFT. I just like getting good laughs from people like u!


HAHAHAHAHHA LMAO CHADCRJ your funny man!
 
1.3XVso said:
the students that I go to school with at the flightschool (3) their dads are Continental Captains or Checkairmen for Continental.

This is not a shining star example, nor do they in fact represent the "majority" as you earlier put it. The solidarity ethic of the Cal group, in particular that demographic whose offspring are beginning their careers now, is less than spectacular. But get this - I was advised by a Cal scab to NOT PFT/PFJ. Figure that one out.

1.3XVso said:
CFI to 1500 hours then apply for a job

That's a fanciful notion. Through coincidence I've ended up with just about as much Beech time and total time as the scenario you posit above, and also lack a flying job right now. News Flash: 1500 hours, Part 121 experience, and $4.00 will barely buy you a cup of coffe at Starbucks. Aren't I glad that I'm not making payments on a $25,000 note for the privilege of being unemployed - but imagine if I were. Jobs are not exactly forthcoming in this market, a fact that is altered very little by some time spent in a whiz bang turbine. Believe me, I've researched the issue.

N9103M, etc. This thread is about Gulfstream. What would you rather discuss? How pretty your CalEx Beeches are? Well they're very pretty. The water warm in Nassau this time of year? I suppose no Comair/ASA thread should ever mention the RJDC, no Eastern thread should mention the strike and bankruptcy, no Mesa, SKywest, Air Wisky, ACA thread should ever mention their recent contracts, no Lakes thread should ever mention their pay, no United thread should mention minorities, etc. Oh, and while we're at it let's ban that pesky pitch vs power debate, as well. Then the board would be a happy place - And there would be no discussion whatsoever, eliminating the need and utility of the boards entirely.
 
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P-F-T Discussions and "Discussions"

Cardinal said:
This thread is about Gulfstream. What would you rather discuss . . . .
The vehemence of some P-F-T defenders and apologists to those who disagree with their choice reminds me of Barry Goldwater's 1964 Presidential slogan, which was:

"In your heart, you know he's right."

Just a little food for thought.
 
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A better definition

A while ago I looked into the GIA program and decided against it... Not becuase it is a PFT thing - since PFT means you buy a job and from what I can determine, Gulfstream is not hiring out of their FO program (not sure of the facts here). Therefore, their program is not really PFT. If employment is conditional on the potential employee paying for his own 121 training, that is PFT. My beef with the GIA FO program is that their training is taking place in an aircraft where a first officer should be. I saw the program not as a way to get a job with GIA, but as a cheap place to get multi time since I have the GI bill and why not make it 121 time as well??? But I'd be sitting in the seat that deservedly belongs to a FO - a paid, union pilot.

I owe no leagance to GIA. I'm neither trying to support or defend PFT. But I think if someone goes to a place to build time, then good for them. You want to spend 25G to get 250 hrs of 1900 time, then good for you. Do it in an aircraft with passengers where a full time FO should be, shame on you. Maybe we need to rewrite the minimums for 121 time much like 135 time -- Make total time count for something.
 
1.3XVso said:
Wil,


Id rather rent a b1900 then a seminole or a aztec flying VFR to airports around florida. But you know what Wil your right. I'm a piece of $hit and you are god.;) ;)

The problem i have with your situation is your not renting a b1900. If you want to pay 700 an hour, and have no one on the plane, then sure, your renting your 1900 ok.

Your taking a job that someone at great lakes and other airlines do for money. They sit in the right seat and do their job as a COMMERCIAL pilot.

Maybe united will have a PFT and you can go get some time there too, or maybe that will be the standard someday. I can only hope

From someone with 1100 dual given

Nuss

PS hope your dad isnt furloughed so he can hook you up at united still, and just remember, you never know who may be doing the flying for gulfstream in a few months.....
 
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