Great news for PDT poolies!

[lastout]

more reserve for you skychicken! ha ha (joke)

 

[LearLove]

Here's an excerpt from the latest (22 Feb) PDT MEC hotline


"On short notice of upcoming pilot classes, our flow through committee is working quickly in an attempt to offer these positions to our furloughed MDA association brothers. We will keep you posted as new developments arise."

Thats funny, little too late my "former" friends.

 

[mnalpha]

in reality working at PDT is one of the best if not the the best places to be now. USair will be turning a profit, and from what I heard today (sorry cant let this out, will be public soon. the details that is) all you guys that left to work at AirW will still be right seat in a throw-away, when the peeps that stuck it out at PDT have class dates at mainline. Its just one of those crystal ball things that no one could of predicted. I was ready to bail on this place, after what I saw was going on/finished. Things for this pilot group are going to finally pay off. Im not talking about how great PDT is, just taking about where all the PDT pilots will be in 5 years. FYI 70% of mainline will be retired in the next 5 years.

Congrats to the new hires, you have no idea how good this will be for you. Please study your ass off. instead of just grabing 1000 hours and bailing in a year, you will be fasttracked for mainline. you guys at PSA get the same deal.

 

[LearLove]

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[Sig]

Thats funny, little too late my "former" friends.

WHOA, LL!

I've tossed this back and forth with you once on this graffito outlet, and I've personally advocated letting you come back without displacements from MY airline. I humbly offered you a seat with a flowthrough agreement.

Here we are. A little too late for what?

 

[LearLove]

Sig, do you guys think we're f'in stupid over here or something?

We can see what you guys (or your MEC) are up to. Your dilly dallying around with these slots long enough for the MDA guys to all be furloughed and either have to take a Rep slot or find something else. Then all the sudden here's PDT with "flow-back" slots after the fact to "save the day" so hardly anyone can come back.

The mainline MEC (the MDA/CEL guys MEC) knows this, we made them aware. O and that BS you pulled this summer wrt the signing part of the "back" portion of the flow has not been forgotten. You guys wanna play that game? We'll its commin right back at you.

Like I said, little too late. The harm has already been done. I would have never gone to Rep if a slot at PDT was available, even an FO slot although I can hold a line as Capt easily over there now. The only way I think this could be made whole is that if you guys offered us out flow-back slots, paid us back pay from the day we were furloughed and started at Rep, and paid whatever Rep charges to get out of the training contract. This of course paid by the PDT MEC $$ not the company $$ as its not their fault but the MEC's fault. Other than that, like Tony Soprano says, "your dead to me".

Later

 

[WSurf]

Lear,

It doesn't matter if we offered it back to you guys anyway! We haven't had any upgrades since last June of 05'. What, were we suppose to just make captain slots for you folks that went to MDA and furlough our guys? No, so I don't think it really matters. We haven't had a new hire or upgrade class in awhile! As for the Flush Thru, if we keep it fine. If we don't I won't lose any sleep! The airlines are what it is! The words of my dad ring in my head each day! "Fly Boxes Son"!!!
I see the PSA guys blocked you from coming there! Hmmmm, I feel for you guys, I really do! I had my chance to go to MDA but I felt that I better get my PIC time first that way I can have more control of my future, better then letting my dic$ swing in the wind with US Airways! If you went over to MDA without upgrading here, well I guess your fast track was tripped up a bit.
However I do see lawsuits in hand by a bunch of the senior PDT people when it comes down to CEL list! So I don't think all is done with...

And you went to REP????? Wow, and you want to talk about unity!!!! I thought it was all or none??? Son, don't come on here preaching!!!!

 

[LearLove]

"All or none" - maybe you should find out what that means before you toss it around. You were not apart of it so you don't know. It had something to do with losing a battle to win a war you jacka$$, open your eyes.

And yes I was a Capt at ALG, they just don't give out DHC8 types to FO's pinhead.

And there were newhire classes there this past summer/fall and some of us would have come back as FO's, so yes the harm is done.

 

[WSurf]

Easy son! You were about to blow your load there!! LOL!!! All I know is from a former MDA guy that said everyone was gonna stand up and not take REP jobs!! All or none what he told me was everyone of pilots to Rep not half!!! Not just the J4J 50% captain seats!!! Hmmm, guess he was another misinformed MDA pilot.. I need to call him and tell him its okay to go to Republic now!

 

[LearLove]

yeah sure, keep backpeddeling. Just like your MEC. Didn't want anything to do with us durring BK #2 but after the AWA announcement and the 190 stuff your now our best friends. Like I said, do you guys think we're stupid?

Anyway, all I know is that my name appears on the mainline list and I don't see "wsurf" on there. The "ghost" numbers are gone also.

Later

 

[WSurf]

Good! Your a mainline pilot now! Why don't you go and find General Lee and the two of you go and troll the mainline message boards and stir stuff up there, don't waste your time with us lonely regional guys!
You came on here talked ur junk, and I had to put the smack down back on you!! Good Day!!

 

[WSurf]

Man, all this even before my morning coffee!!

 

[LearLove]

o yeah, you put the "smack" on me something good, whatever.

 

[LearLove]

Man, all this even before my morning coffee!!

Thats good because the ground crew most likely pissed in your hot jug anyway.

 

[LearLove]

this is just going downhill way too fast.

 

[WSurf]

Let it go Lear! Just Let it Go!!! Your desperation is making you look..... well, you know what its making you look like...

 

[PropPiedmont]

Lear and Surf,

I haven't laughed that much in a long time. Please tell me you all are just screwing around and not being serious.

I guess this means I just joined in the fun, so let me just say, "My Dad is bigger than your Dad and he'll beat you up if you don't stop."

And Lear, you sound like a very pleasant person. I'm sure everyone at MDA will miss flying with you. Hopefully, one day I can be your gear b!tch.

 

[Sig]

Godammit, Lear- what do you want? That's rhetorical- you want to immediately come back here with a captain's slot with your seniority at a base of your choosing. That's absurd. It's absurd because there's no provision for it anywhere. You'll wave some kind of LOA of some sort with those rights, but I'll be danmed if I can't read that on any literature anywhere.

So here's what our MEC has to do: prevent US active PDT guys from getting pushed out while managing to reintegrate YOU into our system in a manner that makes sense. It's impossible. The seniority and "ghost" list are incompatible issues, so all they have left is to bring you back with slots that are originally offered to FOs and newhires for upgrade and fresh starts, respectively. How else should it be done? We don't want ANYONE to hit the street, period.

This airline isn't growing at any appreciable rate, so the immediate integration into our system isn't fast enough for you. We can't make the slots happen, we can't furlough our guys, we can't snap our fingers and force mainline to make us more flying for you guys...

A little too late? I don't think you're "f'in stupid." I think you're a little delusional if you think you're in control of something, as in "too little, too late, we have the ball and we're going home until you play by my rules." This is a stopgap measure to keep you guys flying, paid, and waiting for the return to greener pastures.

I know your attitude is the exception to the rule, at least to my face. I've heard some outrageous crap from Repugnic guys, I've heard some outrageous crap from MDA pilots' FA WIVES (which, incidentally, I think you're the source of now), but I've never heard anything other than "I don't want to come back" from active MDA pilots to my face.

That's MY seat. Says so in the CBA I can read. I offered it to you with a flowthrough. Take it or leave it.

 

[WSurf]

Lear and Surf,

I haven't laughed that much in a long time. Please tell me you all are just screwing around and not being serious.

Prop,

Yea, Lear and I are good friends! Can't you tell, we go way back! I think we went to different schools together!!!!! ;-)

 

[G2T]

Anyway, all I know is that my name appears on the mainline list and I don't see "wsurf" on there. The "ghost" numbers are gone also.

If I followed the arguing correctly, you said you went to Rep. Is your name still on the mainline list? Rep is alright with you keeping recall rights and just hanging out there for a while? Pardon my ignorance, just curious.

 

[Quack]

Man talk about a pissing match..."I see your Schwartz is bigger than mine"...Lear I understand your frustration over the MDA group not being offered a flow back that was previously under agreement before the contract was signed. But like Surf said, if you guys were to actually flow back here where would you go. The last class they had was in October, and they haven't had an upgrade class since last spring. There are F.O.s on reserve that haven't flown in almost a month. I understand that you guys thought you should have been able to flow back, but you can't expect PDT to put our own ACTIVE pilots on the street because of your flowbacks. Now I do agree with you that something should have been done A LOT sooner regarding this entire issue because now we are left with what you and Surf have...a pissing war. We can thank the PSA, PDT, US Air, and MDA Mec's for this...good day...

 

[WSurf]

No pissing war!! Read the posts! I was just on the defensive by someone that came on barking his a$$ off! I have nothing against Lear, and usually I agree with his post..... This time I didn't!!

 

[ceo_of_the_sofa]

I am starting to get a warm and fuzzy feeling allready.

 

[bizzum]

I am starting to get a warm and fuzzy feeling allready.

Get used to it..........

 

[LearLove]

where to start..............

Wsurf, I love you too, like a brother - just right now a red headed stepbrother.

GT2, It’s called J4J (jets 4 Jobs). Yes we stay at Rep until recalled to mainline or we choose to leave or something like that. As long as the 170's are operated under the U flag at Rep they must be J4J. You might ask how does a CEL guy become a J4J guy? Well my friend that was never ment to happen but this past summer when Rep bought our planes and MDA guys started getting furloughed the PDT guys didn't let us flow back (as long as there were classes) like we were supposed to. So the mainline MEC got together and said fine, you want to play that way then the "flow" is gone and the CEL guys at MDA are now full fledged mainline and are on the APL (stapled as per the original agreement) and are eligible for J4J. Once the Rep arbitration was final (12/18/2005) and the furloughs started I became eligible to bid J4J and any of the participating carriers that had slots. So I bid Rep.

On a side note – how screwed up (in weird terms) is this industry when I’ve been at 4 airlines (ALG, PDT, MDA/U and Rep) and only interviewed once, been furloughed but never spent a day on the street and am classified as a “mainline” pilot but have never flown at the official mainline.

Others, You guys are like a girlfriend that doesn't listen. Look back at my posts, not only this thread but in many from the past. I NEVER said I wanted to come back and displace anyone to the street or have anyone downgraded.

The way I saw/see it is as long as there were new hire classes (this past summer/fall) then the amount that they were hiring from the street should have been offered to return.
If at the time there were upgrades going on and the returning MDA guy could hold it then so be it, otherwise he/she is an FO with their original DOH until an upgrade class happens. ARE WE CLEAR? Nobody gets dumped to the street.

In my case I would have come back in the next available class as an FO with an 8/99 DOH. If say in May or something there is an upgrade class then I could bid it and if my seniority could hold it so be it, if not I'm and FO. What’s so wrong with that? All it does it at the worst is maybe bump some FO in base down a slot and keep some guy who would have been a new hire from the street from getting that class I returned in.

In other words I'm like a new hire with my original DOH. Then when (if ever) the time comes to go to mainline we flow back in CEL DOH, meaning guys that are senior to me that never went to MDA could bid before me like the original agreement.

Are we in agreement here, do you see where I'm comming from?

 

[G2T]

GT2, It’s called J4J (jets 4 Jobs). Yes we stay at Rep until recalled to mainline or we choose to leave or something like that. As long as the 170's are operated under the U flag at Rep they must be J4J.

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't know that about the 170's, I thought Rep was a separate entity and therefore you would be off the mainline list. Been at PDT for a year and still trying to figure out the whole MDA/J4J thing (they didn't cover that in ground school!).

 

[trainer8]

Then when (if ever) the time comes to go to mainline we flow back in CEL DOH, meaning guys that are senior to me that never went to MDA could bid before me like the original agreement.

Are we in agreement here, do you see where I'm comming from?

That would be a hard sell, considerig 100 CEL pilots have taken the 50% cuts in pay, made the initial move in 04 to go to the AAA EMB Division, got furloughed or J4J, and then have to sit and wait while senior PDT/PSA non-AAA/CEL move ahead of their AAA 04 seniority...all for guys who wouldn't make the jump in 04.

Sure you'd want to do that?

T8

 

[WSurf]

That would be a hard sell, considerig 100 CEL pilots have taken the 50% cuts in pay, made the initial move in 04 to go to the AAA EMB Division, got furloughed or J4J, and then have to sit and wait while senior PDT/PSA non-AAA/CEL move ahead of their AAA 04 seniority...all for guys who wouldn't make the jump in 04.

Sure you'd want to do that?

T8

It's gonna be a weird situation! I turned down MDA as a FO there, but I had one of three options to select. 1. MDA (First Call or FO) 2. Captain (MDA only) 3. Mainline. We all had that option and many selected Captain only! Now, should junior people that left be senior to the ones that chose Captain MDA only?
Don't get me wrong, I know its a fuk'ed up!!! But there are a bunch of Variables in this mess!!

 

[LearLove]

That would be a hard sell, considerig 100 CEL pilots have taken the 50% cuts in pay, made the initial move in 04 to go to the AAA EMB Division, got furloughed or J4J, and then have to sit and wait while senior PDT/PSA non-AAA/CEL move ahead of their AAA 04 seniority...all for guys who wouldn't make the jump in 04.

Sure you'd want to do that?

T8

Yes your right, I ment that as if they (PDT) had done the right thing this past summer. Not now, like I said, too little, too late. Whats done is done. Now we (trainer8 and me) get recalled and whatever happens to PDT/PSA, we'll........

Sorry Charely

 

[trainer8]

It's gonna be a weird situation! I turned down MDA as a FO there, but I had one of three options to select. 1. MDA (First Call or FO) 2. Captain (MDA only) 3. Mainline. We all had that option and many selected Captain only! Now, should junior people that left be senior to the ones that chose Captain MDA only?
Don't get me wrong, I know its a fuk'ed up!!! But there are a bunch of Variables in this mess!!

All CEL had three choices. Why did you turn down that FO position? Was it the low pay?-- the lousy Medical Benefits? Lear went. If he was junior to you at PDT as a CEL pilot, should he be senior to you at AAA? :bomb:

T8