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Which of course opens the door for more lawsuits. I'm guessing it will be a long time before you have a SLI.

Currently, it is very possible now that we will NOT go to arbitration and the SLI will be completed between the two parties (US/AA) that does not require a vote by the members. APA is now in the fast lane with the thinking - the sooner the better - a quicker path to an industry leading JCBA vital for the betterment of all members.
 
Which of course opens the door for more lawsuits. I'm guessing it will be a long time before you have a SLI.

A federal judge (Silver) has already ordered that the Nic does not have to be used and that the West doesn't have a seat at the SLI table. So, how can complying with a federal judge's order "open the door for more lawsuits"?
 
A federal judge (Silver) has already ordered that the Nic does not have to be used and that the West doesn't have a seat at the SLI table. So, how can complying with a federal judge's order "open the door for more lawsuits"?

More money for the lawyers to try to prove ad damnum post SLI in which likely fails to show precisely a measure of damage inflicted, after all the layers of complicated changes occur(red), in addition to after both SLI and JCBA are complete.
 
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A federal judge (Silver) has already ordered that the Nic does not have to be used and that the West doesn't have a seat at the SLI table. So, how can complying with a federal judge's order "open the door for more lawsuits"?

That's not what she said.
 
No injunction. No seat. That is what she ORDERED.

Then she killed your fake union and dumped it upon the APA. There will be as many seats at the table as your new bargaining agent will allow. Whomever does or does not get one, will be free to sue after the SLI process is concluded. The Nicolau arbitration is in stone. Whatever your defunct, out of business, soon to be decertified "union" wanted at some point in the past is pathetically irrelevant. Best of luck to you.

The APA could simply staple the nic to their list. It will take a decade to determine if that would be a DFR...see what happens when you lie, cheat and steal? It comes back in spades. It's often called "Karma"
 
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Nicolau is dead. Past history. Get used to it. Senile old man got it wrong.
APA will be sued if they try and screw us on the east. Westies, you are along for the ride because you can't cooperate and play nice. You get what's coming to youse. Really.

Nic is dead
 
Then she killed your fake union and dumped it upon the APA. There will be as many seats at the table as your new bargaining agent will allow. Whomever does or does not get one, will be free to sue after the SLI process is concluded. The Nicolau arbitration is in stone. Whatever your defunct, out of business, soon to be decertified "union" wanted at some point in the past is pathetically irrelevant. Best of luck to you.

The APA could simply staple the nic to their list. It will take a decade to determine if that would be a DFR...see what happens when you lie, cheat and steal? It comes back in spades. It's often called "Karma"
Nic is dead dude...let it go...
 
Nic is dead dude...let it go...

The nic is still alive and well. Along with all the evidence of a fair and binding arbitration. All of which is evidence of a fair result which was in Judge Silvers ruling. Perhaps if you read it instead of USAPA updates you would know that.

The only thing that is Dead is USAPA. They have been outplayed. As far as seniority goes, it is out of USAPA's hands. The APA will decide. How does it feel to be the minority?
 
Nicolau is dead. Past history. Get used to it. Senile old man got it wrong.
APA will be sued if they try and screw us on the east. Westies, you are along for the ride because you can't cooperate and play nice. You get what's coming to youse. Really.

Nic is dead

You've been saying this for a while now.. funny how the Nic in theory is still around, eh? Unlike your soon to be fake union..

Btw, no more calling you a$$wipe, so I apologize. You're a minority like one of us now.
 
Usapa will control the merger for US, our merger committee isn't going nowhere. Get used to that Westicles. Our union will be around a long time
 
Usapa will control the merger for US, our merger committee isn't going nowhere. Get used to that Westicles. Our union will be around a long time

Really? Cause that's not what the order said. The order is the only case law to reference when looking at M/B. Does USAPA plan to appeal the "victory?"

APA will decide who is on the US Air Merger Committee. NOT USAPA. There will be no USAPA. So no, YOUR union will not be around a long time.

How does it feel to be the little guy now? Doug is tired of the idiots at USAPA and the EastHoles. That is why he is Neutering you as quickly as he can. How is it having an American Pilot as your Chief Pilot in DCA and Philly? That's gottta hurt.
 
In an interesting twist to USAPA’s pyrrhic victory, we learned that the west members of the USAPA merger committee proffered their thirty day resignation notices last Friday. We think this was a great move.

Let’s back up and and review USAPA’s dilemma following Judge Silver’s ruling last month.

First, USAPA will not have a seat at the table during the upcoming single list proceedings with American. In fact, as we wrote about in our last entry, USAPA will likely be removed as the bargaining agent for the US Airways pilots in the very near future. What might survive is a merger committee comprised of east pilots. The status of the former USAPA merger committee will be entirely up to the APA and whether their status can be agreed upon in the ongoing merger protocol negotiations. What is key here is that even if the former east pilots have their own merger committee, it will not exist under the auspices of USAPA. Why? Because USAPA will soon cease to exist.

Second, Judge Silver did not remove the DFR liability from any of the current bargaining agents or the company in her Order. All she did was rule that the MOU was not a breach of DFR because it is seniority neutral. Judge Silver ruled in line with the prior ripeness ruling from the 9th Circuit. This is key because USAPA, the APA, and the company are still subject to a DFR claim by the west pilots should the Nicolau Award not be used in the upcoming integration.

In its latest communication, USAPA declared that “At this time, nothing more has been decided beyond our conclusion that the unmodified Nicolau list is not an option.” In this statement USAPA is very clear that they intend to violate its DFR. In this context, we wholeheartedly agree with the resignation of the west merger committee members. There was no room for them to stay when the committee and the union loudly proclaimed their intent to use their majority to dictate seniority terms to the minority.

The irony is that USAPA is demanding a fair integration in the upcoming integration, yet they are using their current majority to dictate the terms of the last integration to the minority west group. It is no wonder that the APA filed for single carrier status immediately following Judge Silver’s Order. She clealy wrote that USAPA cannot and has no intention of fairly representing the west pilots.

The good news is that we are confident a fair process will be initiated once USAPA ceases to exist. Please note that we are not saying the east pilots will not have access to a fair process and a seat at the table. We are confident all parties will have a seat at the table once the APA is the bargaining agent.

In that context- bravo to the west merger committee members. They truly understand how the future is unfolding.
 
Really? Cause that's not what the order said. ..

Learn to read. The ORDER said no injunction, no seat. The dicta was her political rant that is meaningless and has no impact on the RLA, MB, or the MOU. If you think otherwise you are free to pay your lawyers to fight the RLA, MB, and the MOU.

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