Goodbye usapa!!!!!!

[71driver]

And there's your problem 71driver.

Did you really think that you'd keep your 23-33% seniority coming across to a much larger carrier? Please. Your expectations were inflated if that's the case. A career at SW didn't equal a career at AirTran. I'm not saying AirTran wasn't a good gig for many, it just all changed when your CEO hit the cash register.

No I didn't say that and our merger committee wasn't expecting that either. What I did tell the merger committee was if I was going to loss more than 10% or 750 Pilot places on the seniority list then I thought arbitration was where it should go. As to your reference to a much larger carrier..I am not as enamored about Southwest as apparently many of it's employees are..not because of what transpired...sure that stings...but objectively the next 10-15 yrs will not be like the last 10-15.
Y'all experienced some linear type growth...well at least til 2008ish/2009. riding on the coat tails or operating in the shadows of the legacies. You were a niche carrier with very low fares. now not so much. post 911 ALL the legacies have "reset" themselves to a more competitve footing. In adddition, they are all about twice the size they were. Southwest, has shrunk to #4. Your fares are really not low cost any more yet your product is. y'all are seriously lacking in inovating yourselves...you have been driving into the future for the past 10-20yrs using your rearview mirror of past success. Y'all don't want to be like Kodak or Blackberry

So yes you are a larger carrier, but I am just not sure what the future will be like at Southwest

A career at SW didn't equal a career at AirTran.

even pre 911 knowing where your career will ultimately go is shady at best...post 911 it's a crap shoot...yes even for Southwest


I'm not saying AirTran wasn't a good gig for many, it just all changed when your CEO hit the cash register.

Actually going back to Joe and yes....as you say even bob, both these guys were old school legacy born and bred type of guys. They stuffed there pockets the best they could.To bad really, I said back in 2006 if we were able to remove the top 3 teirs of the corporate structure at Airtran and insert the top 3 teirs of Southwest's corporate structure, we could've kick some aviation butt

Yes your guys are good, I am still amazed at the revenue they generate from the product offered

 

[General Lee]

71driver,

There is NO way any arbitration award would have bumped ALL AT 737 Capts to the right seat, especially since AT was bringing the same planes over, with more options. Even the TWA guys kept 767 and MD80 Capt slots in STL with their AA merger, which was pretty much a staple. You guys got hosed.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[DCAA320]

71driver,

There is NO way any arbitration award would have bumped ALL AT 737 Capts to the right seat,
Bye Bye---General Lee

Hey dumbfu(k, my bud was at AT when it was VJ, pretty senior, and he got bumped to the right seat. He surely didn't want to go to swa.

If not all, then most.

 

[LearLove]

AA will staple the East and the West below TWA and Reno because MB does not apply....

So your saying we'll have the eagle guys below us? At least we got that going for us.

 

[General Lee]

Hey dumbfu(k, my bud was at AT when it was VJ, pretty senior, and he got bumped to the right seat. He surely didn't want to go to swa.

If not all, then most.

Uhhhhh, what? I thought the AT guys got screwed, and I bet he thinks so too... Right?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[ultrarunner]

In my next life, I want to wake up, back in time as a USAPA attorney...

Better than the government nipple....

 

[General Lee]

Hey dumbfu(k, my bud was at AT when it was VJ, pretty senior, and he got bumped to the right seat. He surely didn't want to go to swa.

If not all, then most.

And another thing, how does your friend, the one who got bumped thanks to being at the smaller airline, think of your lame group doing the same to the Westies? Is he still your friend? He shouldn't be, you are a total loser. How ironic you think he got hosed, and you can't see your group did the same. What a bunch of tools.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

Hey Jenny, just saw ya on the Regional board as Mercyful now you're here as Jenny like a minute or two later. Busted! You putz!

 

[pave driver]

The two West members of USAPA Merger Committee have resigned via email in a letter dated 30 Jan 14. APA will only accept a 2 merger commitee and not 3 for the seniority integration protocol agreement. It appears DOH and the NIC will not be used.

 

[Dan Roman]

The two West members of USAPA Merger Committee have resigned via email in a letter dated 30 Jan 14. APA will only accept a 2 merger commitee and not 3 for the seniority integration protocol agreement. It appears DOH and the NIC will not be used.

Which of course opens the door for more lawsuits. I'm guessing it will be a long time before you have a SLI.

 

[pave driver]

Which of course opens the door for more lawsuits. I'm guessing it will be a long time before you have a SLI.

Currently, it is very possible now that we will NOT go to arbitration and the SLI will be completed between the two parties (US/AA) that does not require a vote by the members. APA is now in the fast lane with the thinking - the sooner the better - a quicker path to an industry leading JCBA vital for the betterment of all members.

 

[kingairip]

Which of course opens the door for more lawsuits. I'm guessing it will be a long time before you have a SLI.

A federal judge (Silver) has already ordered that the Nic does not have to be used and that the West doesn't have a seat at the SLI table. So, how can complying with a federal judge's order "open the door for more lawsuits"?

 

[pave driver]

A federal judge (Silver) has already ordered that the Nic does not have to be used and that the West doesn't have a seat at the SLI table. So, how can complying with a federal judge's order "open the door for more lawsuits"?

More money for the lawyers to try to prove ad damnum post SLI in which likely fails to show precisely a measure of damage inflicted, after all the layers of complicated changes occur(red), in addition to after both SLI and JCBA are complete.

 

[Ocity]

A federal judge (Silver) has already ordered that the Nic does not have to be used and that the West doesn't have a seat at the SLI table. So, how can complying with a federal judge's order "open the door for more lawsuits"?

That's not what she said.

 

[Turtle21]

That's not what she said.

No injunction. No seat. That is what she ORDERED.

 

[Ocity]

No injunction. No seat. That is what she ORDERED.

Then she killed your fake union and dumped it upon the APA. There will be as many seats at the table as your new bargaining agent will allow. Whomever does or does not get one, will be free to sue after the SLI process is concluded. The Nicolau arbitration is in stone. Whatever your defunct, out of business, soon to be decertified "union" wanted at some point in the past is pathetically irrelevant. Best of luck to you.

The APA could simply staple the nic to their list. It will take a decade to determine if that would be a DFR...see what happens when you lie, cheat and steal? It comes back in spades. It's often called "Karma"

 

[St. Nic]

Nicolau is dead. Past history. Get used to it. Senile old man got it wrong.
APA will be sued if they try and screw us on the east. Westies, you are along for the ride because you can't cooperate and play nice. You get what's coming to youse. Really.

Nic is dead

 

[FlyUnder]

Any SLI with APA that does not account for LOS will be tested, and litigated under MB. Count on that as a certainty.

 

[sean67]

Then she killed your fake union and dumped it upon the APA. There will be as many seats at the table as your new bargaining agent will allow. Whomever does or does not get one, will be free to sue after the SLI process is concluded. The Nicolau arbitration is in stone. Whatever your defunct, out of business, soon to be decertified "union" wanted at some point in the past is pathetically irrelevant. Best of luck to you.

The APA could simply staple the nic to their list. It will take a decade to determine if that would be a DFR...see what happens when you lie, cheat and steal? It comes back in spades. It's often called "Karma"

Nic is dead dude...let it go...

 

[abefly]

Nic is dead dude...let it go...

The nic is still alive and well. Along with all the evidence of a fair and binding arbitration. All of which is evidence of a fair result which was in Judge Silvers ruling. Perhaps if you read it instead of USAPA updates you would know that.

The only thing that is Dead is USAPA. They have been outplayed. As far as seniority goes, it is out of USAPA's hands. The APA will decide. How does it feel to be the minority?