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Turtle21 said:
APA afraid of a lawsuit. HaHaHaHaHa!
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You're not paying attention. The APA has already proposed the West have its own representation. Why in the world do you think they did that? In case you're clueless (as opposed to just being in denial) it's because they know a West DFR suit will likely impose an injunction. That's not fear or altruism, it's good legal strategy.

Oh, and the company doesn't want any delay either. But I'm sure you know that since you've read their Rule 60 Motion.

You're just trying to rearrange the chairs on the deck of the BullShip USAPA.
 
TWA Dude said:
You're not paying attention. The APA has already proposed the West have its own representation. Why in the world do you think they did that? In case you're clueless (as opposed to just being in denial) it's because they know a West DFR suit will likely impose an injunction. That's not fear or altruism, it's good legal strategy.

Oh, and the company doesn't want any delay either. But I'm sure you know that since you've read their Rule 60 Motion.

You're just trying to rearrange the chairs on the deck of the BullShip USAPA.
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You'll be eating crow in a few days when a protocol agreement comes out and it does not recognize the west class and it sets up the merge with third list pilots and the bottom west pilots.
APA hates the Nic.
You Westicles are done!!
 
St. Nic said:
You'll be eating crow in a few days when a protocol agreement comes out and it does not recognize the west class and it sets up the merge with third list pilots and the bottom west pilots.
APA hates the Nic.
You Westicles are done!!
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Bottom west pilots with third listers?? I thought doh was the gold standard..
 
St. Nic said:
You'll be eating crow in a few days when a protocol agreement comes out and it does not recognize the west class ...
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We'll see about that. In any case, since APA will be our CBA soon I'm sure any Eastie will appreciate that any deals effected by the previous CBA are ignorable.
APA hates the Nic.
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APA hates everybody. You'll enjoy being a minority.
 
TWA Dude said:
We'll see about that. In any case, since APA will be our CBA soon I'm sure any Eastie will appreciate that any deals effected by the previous CBA are ignorable.APA hates everybody. You'll enjoy being a minority.
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APA *IF* they win won't be the CBA for another 18 months. By then Usapa and APA will have long past the SLI and will have put the west problem and the Nic both where they belong in the grave.
I'm sure the American pilots will love you Westicles suing them. But don't worry tgere will be a protocal agreement in a week
 
TWA Dude said:
You're not paying attention. The APA has already proposed the West have its own representation. Why in the world do you think they did that? In case you're clueless (as opposed to just being in denial) it's because they know a West DFR suit will likely impose an injunction. That's not fear or altruism, it's good legal strategy.

Oh, and the company doesn't want any delay either. But I'm sure you know that since you've read their Rule 60 Motion.

You're just trying to rearrange the chairs on the deck of the BullShip USAPA.
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I'm sure they are terrified of the Spartan threats. And they would never use current events to leverage their negotiating position. They play fair and are very timid. No need to send anymore money to AOL. You have arrived in Valhalla.
 
St. Nic said:
APA *IF* they win won't be the CBA for another 18 months. By then Usapa and APA will have long past the SLI and will have put the west problem and the Nic both where they belong in the grave.
I'm sure the American pilots will love you Westicles suing them. But don't worry tgere will be a protocal agreement in a week
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More like 18 days.. Feel free to take some time off from here so the shock can wear off.
 
Speaking of, in the past week Mann quit as Usapa's advisor and the West retained Freund as our merger counsel. The APA has Wes Kennedy. Who's the East's counsel? Pat Szymanski. This is gonna be fun.
 
St. Nic said:
APA *IF* they win won't be the CBA for another 18 months. By then Usapa and APA will have long past the SLI and will have put the west problem and the Nic both where they belong in the grave.
I'm sure the American pilots will love you Westicles suing them. But don't worry tgere will be a protocal agreement in a week
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USAPA is dead. Very very soon. You scabs are so delusional it's more akin to hallucinations. What are the odds there is even going to be an election? 0%.

The new and improved Nic is coming your way. Just move Dave Odell up 519 #s that's the best case scenario for you...I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.
 
Ocity said:
USAPA is dead. Very very soon. You scabs are so delusional it's more akin to hallucinations. What are the odds there is even going to be an election? 0%.

The new and improved Nic is coming your way. Just move Dave Odell up 519 #s that's the best case scenario for you...I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.
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Delusional... :D Says the one who implicitly assumes APA wants the Nic more than the West.
 
Turtle21 said:
Delusional... :D Says the one who implicitly assumes APA wants the Nic more than the West.
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It won't be up to APA. It will be up to a panel of arbitrators.

How did that work out for you last time ? Oh yeah, pretty good because of your numbers. That's all about to be corrected.
 
Ocity said:
The opinion of the APA is...like your fake skab union...IRRELEVANT.
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Now its your position that the APA is IRRELEVANT... and are irrelevant because they are like a fake skab union. :eek:

You are totally unglued.

I hope that AOL leaders are of your opinion. :D

Donate early and often.... cactuspilot.com.... DO IT NOW!!
 
Turtle21 said:
Now its your position that the APA is IRRELEVANT... and are irrelevant because they are like a fake skab union. :eek:

You are totally unglued.

I hope that AOL leaders are of your opinion. :D

Donate early and often.... cactuspilot.com.... DO IT NOW!!
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You have no understanding of the process you're being forced into.
 
Turtle21 said:
Yeah, I don't understand why you guys think APA is an irrelevant, fake skab union. I have no understanding of that. You guys are unglued. :D
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The West committee is completely autonomous as the APA actually know how to be a union and to fulfill it's DFR unlike you idiots. The APA has no say over what the West Committee presents to the arbitration panel so yes, as far as the APA is concerned, their opinion of the Nic is completely irrelevant as it relates to the West position.
 
becket said:
The APA has no say over what the West Committee presents to the arbitration panel...
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Absolutely true. Because the only two parties are the APA and USAPA. There is NO West committee and there will be nothing a so called West committee will be involved in to present anything to anybody. Certainly not an arbitration panel.
 
ALGFLYR said:
Absolutely true. Because the only two parties are the APA and USAPA. There is NO West committee and there will be nothing a so called West committee will be involved in to present anything to anybody. Certainly not an arbitration panel.
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I'm sure it's all spelled out in the protocol agreement right? Wait....where IS the protocol agreement?

The NMB is about to wipe your fake union off the map as designed by Silver. You're not going to like what happens after that...care to guess WHY there isn't now, or ever going to be a protocol agreement?
 
Strange how you beat your chest about there being not West committee when both the APA and the Company want one. They're both playing USAPA for the idiots you are.
 
Ocity said:
I'm sure it's all spelled out in the protocol agreement right? Wait....where IS the protocol agreement?

The NMB is about to wipe your fake union off the map as designed by Silver. You're not going to like what happens after that...care to guess WHY there isn't now, or ever going to be a protocol agreement?
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Well let's come back in 2 days and see what's the deal with the protocol agreement. Even though the protocol agreement has been extended twice, the SLI is still due on March 9th or the arbitration process begins. I personally think they are working on a deal that once the protocol agreement is agreed to, the actual SLI will follow very soon after that. But lets wait until the 18th and see what information is revealed about the protocol agreement. I'm personally not involved with the protocol negotiating so I have no idea what's occurring behind the scenes. Evidently unlike every West poster on here that seems to be personally involved in the negotiations and knows exactly what every side is thinking and proposing...

Anyway, interested to see what happens on the 18th...
 
Why would there need to be a west committee other than to tell the arbitration panel to check the Nic? The M-B arbitrators are only merging US/AA, not redoing the US/HP merger. They will likely toss anything other than the Nic that USAPA offers. If they pass a DOH list, the company may say they have not accepted the DOH as a valid integrated list. In fact they may demand concessions off the MOU in order to accept it. APA may have an issue with that.
 
TWA Dude said:
Strange how you beat your chest about there being not West committee when both the APA and the Company want one. They're both playing USAPA for the idiots you are.
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Beat my chest? Hardly. You will not find any post of mine where I beat my chest or get involved in all the name calling (like your quote above where you call me an idiot) that constantly goes on here and on other boards. I simply voice my opinion and try to read the actual documents that come out and sift through all the BS and see what the law actually says.

In the case of a West committee, I don't think the RLA allows for anyone other than the legal CBA (USAPA) to bargain for the US Airways pilots. It seems even Judge Silver agreed with that part of the law. I think the only way the West could possibly get "a seat at the table" is if USAPA, APA and the company all agree to it. Otherwise, the law must be followed, and that means USAPA is our agent for the SLI.
 
I agree with ALG. If USAPA had not been allowed to drag this out forever and been forced to do their job, the DFR would have been completed long ago.

Not only let them hang themselves, force them to.
 
ALGFLYR said:
In the case of a West committee, I don't think the RLA allows for anyone other than the legal CBA (USAPA) to bargain for the US Airways pilots.
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RLA? Did you mean McCaskill-Bond? Assuming you did, the key is the "s" when it say it applies to employee groups. So it isn't prohibited.
It seems even Judge Silver agreed with that part of the law. I think the only way the West could possibly get "a seat at the table" is if USAPA, APA and the company all agree to it. Otherwise, the law must be followed, and that means USAPA is our agent for the SLI.
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You're confused about several things. First, the NMB will rule and USAPA will no longer exist, possibly as soon as April.

Second, when the APA becomes the CBA for all of us they will be bound by a Duty to Fairly Represent all of us. That's why they will appoint committees to represent all sides for the arbitration. And that's also why they will allow for separate West representation (and they will ignore the East's objections). Since you claim to have read the court filings surely you know that any deviation from the Nicolau list will very likely elicit an injunction from the inevitable West lawsuit.

Our reps feel a Protocol Agreement won't be reached and the NMB ruling will make it moot. Let's see how things transpire this week.
 
TWA Dude said:
. Let's see how things transpire this week.
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Agreed. Anything other than that will just be re-hashing the same things that have been posted by all sides for years...

One thing is for sure, the end to this whole mess is closing in fast. Whichever side is ultimately proven to be right, I'll just be glad this is all finally in the past... See you Tuesday for the next episode... :)
 

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