GoJet strikes a wingtip on landing

[Freebrd]

ahh but if they had asked tower for wind check all would be well.

 

[101040]

Good post, most of the people that sit in judgement and make the the rules fly the line very little. They should have LCPs on the ERC and SOP committees instead of corporate ladder climbers.

 

[flyboyzii]

Maybe it was one of the TSA guys that crossed the line.

It couldn't have been a TSA guy. They didn't go flying off the end of the runway.

 

[777forever]

IOE flight. Female FO new hire. Thats what ive heard so far

 

[Max Q]

To discuss the mistakes of others is completely unprofessional.

You should all be ashamed.

 

[sperfly]

Then I guess it's time for ASA to take another from Comair!

At least if Delta gives ASA another plane from Comair it won't be flown at a loss of $

 

[SLUF4]

i'd rather people talk about crosswind technique than bang up an airplane...but yeah that should have been learned a long time back

 

[SplitBar]

A captain doing a walk around? Must have been in Mexico, the Caribbean or Florida.

When I was at XJ the Captain was on the hook for a post flight walk around. FO's always did the pre flight walk around but the Capt always did the post flight walk around. It was a Capt who discovered the damage on a post flight walk around 4 days after the wing tip strike happened.

 

[DeucesWild]

I can't believe people who get paid to fly passengers are having a discussion about what is and isn't proper crosswind technique. Simply unbelievable.

This thread wouldn't exist and you wouldn't be here viewing it, if someone at Gojets didn't just exhibit 'improper crosswind technique'.

I have seen poor or improper crosswind technique both at the regionals and at the majors, both from Captains and from FOs.

The fact that you can't believe there are some 'passenger flying professionals' that use poor crosswind technique tells me that every pilot at your airline exhibits perfect crosswind skills or you are one of the pilots that does not know or recognize the difference. I suspect the latter.

 

[JustaNumber]

This thread wouldn't exist and you wouldn't be here viewing it, if someone at Gojets didn't just exhibit 'improper crosswind technique'.

I have seen poor or improper crosswind technique both at the regionals and at the majors, both from Captains and from FOs.

The fact that you can't believe there are some 'passenger flying professionals' that use poor crosswind technique tells me that every pilot at your airline exhibits perfect crosswind skills or you are one of the pilots that does not know or recognize the difference. I suspect the latter.

Very well said. I too have seen much too much poor technique by professionals who you would think would have it down by now. This is an area where I think former CFIs (especially tailwheel guys) may do better than some others--the whole primacy of training thing. I think many pilots who never had really solid primary training can get away with a lot of poor crosswind technique because of the forgiveness of tricycle-gear airplanes, most of the time. It would be interesting to see the type of previous experience of the pilot involved here.

 

[jdubya]

Good discussion and sure, it's crazy at this level to talk of technique but obviously pilots at all levels have some issues with it. I've seen some unbelievable stuff out there.

As to one of the other posters: you're crazy in this business if you DON'T analyze the mistakes of others.

 

[Redan]

Have to agree, the discussion of flying technique (or hangar flying) has always been a staple of pilots. I learn something from every instance of hangar flying and from every FO I fly with. When it gets to the point where I feel discussion of any sort of flying technique on an aviation forum is "unbelievable" it will certainly be time for me to hang up my wings.

 

[jetRAT]

It can happen to anyone especially if you get slow in a gusty crosswind.

Uh...so don't get slow in a gusty xwind. Welcome to xwind landings day 1. BTW, thank you for proving my original point. Don't you have a line to cross somewhere?

 

[bailout]

ASA has had at least two wingtip strikes that i can remember off the top of my head..



(of course one of those was banking 40 degrees at 30 feet to avoid landing on a taxiway)

 

[Data]

Here's a nice briefing from Airbus on their recommended technique...wings-level ie crabbed approach. This document shows both techniques and discusses the geometry limits of certain designs and how that relates to the strength of the crosswind. Good read.

http://www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/179.pdf

 

[CRJ puppy]

Every airline has wingtip strikes. One or more a year. They just don't usually make the news. Shoot. Delta has had a rash of them too. So it really has little to do with the operator having a "young" work force....

 

[Maria]

So how do you land the CRJ simulator in a crosswind?

I've flown taildraggers in the Mountain West (KMMH) and never had a problem, but then I didn't crab the whole way down, with a Hail Mary kick at the last second.

 

[wmuflyguy]

So how do you land the CRJ simulator in a crosswind?

I've flown taildraggers in the Mountain West (KMMH) and never had a problem, but then I didn't crab the whole way down, with a Hail Mary kick at the last second.

Crab and then kick it out at 10'-30'. I've seen people do it as early as 200' not my technique though, I just don't like flying in the slip that long.

 

[kf4amu]

Every airline has wingtip strikes. One or more a year. They just don't usually make the news. Shoot. Delta has had a rash of them too. So it really has little to do with the operator having a "young" work force....

Piedmont has never had a wingtip strike.

 

[Data]

Piedmont has never had a wingtip strike.

Neither has Chuck Norris, the ground just moves when Chuck's wingtip is where he wants it.

 

[dougdrvr]

Neither has Chuck Norris, the ground just moves when Chuck's wingtip is where he wants it.

The wind would never dare cross Chuck Norris in the first place.

 

[Data]

The wind would never dare cross Chuck Norris in the first place.

No silly, the winds come from all of his roundhouse kicks around the world. Or, perhaps, the wind didn't dare to cross him as you suggest and Chuck was doing a barrel roll........on the ground, that's the only reason I can speculate as to why chuck would ever want his wing where the ground was.

 

[N813CA]

I am black so I am the longest!!!

 

[damnflyboy]

No silly, the winds come from all of his roundhouse kicks around the world. Or, perhaps, the wind didn't dare to cross him as you suggest and Chuck was doing a barrel roll........on the ground, that's the only reason I can speculate as to why chuck would ever want his wing where the ground was.

Chuck Norris does not work for the Airlines. If he did, the Airlines would work for Chuck Norris.

 

[CX880]

IOE flight. Female FO new hire. Thats what ive heard so far

You saying that Females shouldn't be flying?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

You saying that Females shouldn't be flying?

Well, somebody had to say it.

 

[Clutch]

"Research has shown that men tend to do well at mental rotation of objects and spatial perception, whereas women tend to be better at verbal memory and fluency."

Women...

 

[CX880]

I do agree that I've never come across a woman that knew which way is north.

 

[johnpeace]

Crab and then kick it out at 10'-30'. I've seen people do it as early as 200' not my technique though, I just don't like flying in the slip that long.

+1, ideally you kick the nose straight and turn into the wind to hold the centerline about 2 seconds before the mains touch.

 

[flyboyike]

I do agree that I've never come across a woman that knew which way is north.

Amen. West, South and East also seem problematic.