Gojet getting 50 seaters!

[Dart]

Trust me..i see your point and understand it. Im just sick of hearing it..Just goes to show you that one airline isnt better than another. They will all cut throats to get ahead no matter what. Never the less..have a happy holiday guys.

Your missing the point.

If airline "x" flies say a 100 seat aircraft. Wants to fly 150 seat aircraft. But the labor costs would infringe on profits they decide to open a new company..."Y" then hire new pilots. Year 1 pay and can undercut all other airlines because of the new low labor costs.
This hurts all pilots because this new company can undercut all other airlines prices. So when Comair went on strike to bring up the pay, Go Jets just did the opposite.
It doesn't matter if you fly a CRJ in China. The low cost airline affects us all. Now if no one went to fly at Go Jets then they would have had to use the TSA pilots and pay them accordingly. But people got greedy and wanted a quick upgrade. Now don't give me the song and dance about people needing jobs. The jobs were there all along. Sleezy management just moved them from TSA to Go Jets. So if no one took the jobs at Go Jets then they could go to TSA. Where the jobs should have been in the first place.

 

[flyinag02]

So why does nobody call TSA pilots scabs? Aren't they flying routes that would otherwise go to Eagle at a cheaper price than Eagle pilots would get paid?

 

[cybourg10]

TSA was origanally flying for TWA before the AA aquisition. But yes you do have a point, we are all flying someone else's routes. I still would protest a GoJet jumpseaters though, everyone else welcome.

 

[flyinag02]

But yes you do have a point, we are all flying someone else's routes.

Thank you, That is exactly my point.

 

[CX880]

So why does nobody call TSA pilots scabs? Aren't they flying routes that would otherwise go to Eagle at a cheaper price than Eagle pilots would get paid?

What the F are you talking about, where have you been the last year? TSA is downsizing including the AA flying which will go away by next year. More than 30% of TSA pilots will be furloughed. Compare that with 0 at Eagle. There are Chatauqua and Eagle flights in STL as well, I don't know if you realized that. By your reasoning then Eagle should be scabs because they are flying TSA routes that came from TWA. TSA was flying for TWA, they got grandfathered in when TWA became AA. Therefore they became AAconnection. Please do some research before you post something.

 

[cybourg10]

TSA is flying former Eagle routes out of MIA that were not godfathered in with airplanes they lease from AMR (that are returning to Eagle if I'm not mistaken). Like I said, unless you are flying for SWA from DAL-HOU, there is a very high chance that we are all flying routes formerly flown by another airline and being paid less than those pilots we have "replaced." Reality is a b!tch sometimes.

 

[flyinag02]

By your reasoning then Eagle should be scabs because they are flying TSA routes that came from TWA.

Exactly my point!!! We can go round and round about this. Everybody is flying somebody elses routes.

 

[Dart]

Than go ahead and Protest CAL pilots as well...and UAL, AA..the list can go on with scabs!!

TSA was origanally flying for TWA before the AA aquisition. But yes you do have a point, we are all flying someone else's routes. I still would protest a GoJet jumpseaters though, everyone else welcome.

 

[flyinag02]

Than go ahead and Protest CAL pilots as well...and UAL, AA..the list can go on with scabs!!

Yep, and since the list can go on and on. It seems like wasted energy running around pointing a finger at everyone else, claiming they took your work.

 

[rjacobs]

TSA is flying former Eagle routes out of MIA that were not godfathered in with airplanes they lease from AMR (that are returning to Eagle if I'm not mistaken).

TSA is not flying out of MIA, that got killed before they even started it.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

TSA is not flying out of MIA, that got killed before they even started it.

Wait what? I've been in and out of MIA two months before the furlough...

 

[jws717]

Can a moderator delete this thread or tittle it, something like Goat Pets, not getting 50 seaters.

 

[rjacobs]

Wait what? I've been in and out of MIA two months before the furlough...

I could have sworn my buddy thats still over there told me it got killed and they never really got going down there.

 

[Freight Dog]

No....the industry would not be a better place with this attitude. Every SCAB that has ever disgraced the earth with their presence has used Old Man's moniker of "hard choices in a hard time." Maybe those words whispered over and over in the mind of SCAB help them sleep at night but they will never wash the stain and stench of a SCAB from our cockpits.

Until pilots can divorce themselves from the rampant professional desperation that plagues our ranks this profession will never move forward. Its utterly stunning to me that many pilots cannot seem recoup from a job loss by accepting employment outside of a cockpit for a short period of time until the job market is better. I know for a fact that a pilot is capable of doing things in the job market other than flying airplanes. Why do pilots insist on whoring themselves out to some of the worst flying jobs around without batting an eyelash?

OK, so let me get this straight:

I am an unemployed former Aloha pilot. There is and was no strike at TSA. I also have a tough time finding any operators/airlines out there that are currently hiring. Now unlike my UAL/AA/CO counterparts who have an airline to return to, I don't. My currency is running out, and we all know that most places want you to be current and have some recency of experience as part of their minimum requirements. I also did my regional time banging away in turboprops before moving onto Boeings. I had a career job, and now I got set back literally 8 years.

Now let's see... there's no ALPA job action against GoJet, there's no ALPA recruitment ban against GoJet, what do you have to tell me that I shouldn't feed my family? Should I give up 13 years of paying dues all for a regional squabble over a minimum wage job?

I tell you what... if you happily employed Pinnacle pilots, Republic pilots, ASA pilots, Delta pilots, United pilots, Airtran pilots, Southwest pilots are so adamant about protecting this profession against the GoScum and the like, then start an adopt-a-furloughee program and take assessments to pay our BASIC living expenses after our unemployment benefits run out. You do that, and then you'll have a leg to stand on. But until you do... you all look like a bunch of whining crybabies who are used to getting served everything on a silver platter.

No, I do not work for GoJet.

 

[I fLy pLaNeS]

OK, so let me get this straight:

I am an unemployed former Aloha pilot. There is and was no strike at TSA. I also have a tough time finding any operators/airlines out there that are currently hiring. Now unlike my UAL/AA/CO counterparts who have an airline to return to, I don't. My currency is running out, and we all know that most places want you to be current and have some recency of experience as part of their minimum requirements. I also did my regional time banging away in turboprops before moving onto Boeings. I had a career job, and now I got set back literally 8 years.

Now let's see... there's no ALPA job action against GoJet, there's no ALPA recruitment ban against GoJet, what do you have to tell me that I shouldn't feed my family? Should I give up 13 years of paying dues all for a regional squabble over a minimum wage job?

I tell you what... if you happily employed Pinnacle pilots, Republic pilots, ASA pilots, Delta pilots, United pilots, Airtran pilots, Southwest pilots are so adamant about protecting this profession against the GoScum and the like, then start an adopt-a-furloughee program and take assessments to pay our BASIC living expenses after our unemployment benefits run out. You do that, and then you'll have a leg to stand on. But until you do... you all look like a bunch of whining crybabies who are used to getting served everything on a silver platter.

No, I do not work for GoJet.

Well said.

 

[nwa_contrails]

No, I do not work for GoJet.

When is your class date?

 

[Freight Dog]

I should append... neither have I applied there.

 

[mesaserf]

there's no ALPA recruitment ban against GoJet


That is incorrect, I remember some time ago a blurb on the ALPA web site urging pilots not to apply to Go Jets.

I do have a question, if in the near future we do begin to use the Aloha name would you be willing to accept a position at Mesa? That is if my union would pursue preferential hiring of former Aloha pilots.

Of course that is assuming we still exist a year from now.

Good luck to us all...

 

[Freight Dog]

I called and SPECIFICALLY asked ALPA National if there's a recruitment ban in place for GoJet a'la Cathay Pacific a few years back, and they said no. In fact, our furloughed ALPA resources listed GoJet as one of the places hiring.

As far as your other question is concerned, would I apply to Mesa if you took the name 'Aloha' in Hawaii and you had "preferential hiring of former Aloha pilots.' I probably wouldn't simply because I can't afford to work for Mesa. I made equivalent to your 16th year CRJ-900 captain as an FO at Aloha, and we had much better work rules and retirement than Mesa. But hey, different strokes for different folks... some might be willing, but I simply can't afford it.

 

[Dart]

Awesome! Well said....

OK, so let me get this straight:

I am an unemployed former Aloha pilot. There is and was no strike at TSA. I also have a tough time finding any operators/airlines out there that are currently hiring. Now unlike my UAL/AA/CO counterparts who have an airline to return to, I don't. My currency is running out, and we all know that most places want you to be current and have some recency of experience as part of their minimum requirements. I also did my regional time banging away in turboprops before moving onto Boeings. I had a career job, and now I got set back literally 8 years.

Now let's see... there's no ALPA job action against GoJet, there's no ALPA recruitment ban against GoJet, what do you have to tell me that I shouldn't feed my family? Should I give up 13 years of paying dues all for a regional squabble over a minimum wage job?

I tell you what... if you happily employed Pinnacle pilots, Republic pilots, ASA pilots, Delta pilots, United pilots, Airtran pilots, Southwest pilots are so adamant about protecting this profession against the GoScum and the like, then start an adopt-a-furloughee program and take assessments to pay our BASIC living expenses after our unemployment benefits run out. You do that, and then you'll have a leg to stand on. But until you do... you all look like a bunch of whining crybabies who are used to getting served everything on a silver platter.

No, I do not work for GoJet.