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BigLebowski
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Get the facts correct guys first of all.!!!!
No dog in fight !!!
TSA pilots had chance to go to GoJets when opened=Most Said HEL$ NO....we will stick it to the company...
GoJet started because TSA flew for AA which stated they could not fly anything larger than 50ers at that time!! United wanted 700's so TSA formed GoJets to get the United business.
Listen, there are people on the street like myself..that can not longer support the family on unemployment. So if people can find a job, or if you don't want yours anymore=THAN QUIT !!!!!
Prater is a joke so is ALPA !!! Look at DL and NW=ALPA can not even go by their own bylaws !!!
No dog in fight !!!
TSA pilots had chance to go to GoJets when opened=Most Said HEL$ NO....we will stick it to the company...
GoJet started because TSA flew for AA which stated they could not fly anything larger than 50ers at that time!! United wanted 700's so TSA formed GoJets to get the United business.
Listen, there are people on the street like myself..that can not longer support the family on unemployment. So if people can find a job, or if you don't want yours anymore=THAN QUIT !!!!!
Prater is a joke so is ALPA !!! Look at DL and NW=ALPA can not even go by their own bylaws !!!
Salukipilot4590
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I think I missed the point here....
siucavflight
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When chataqua had to get around scope at AA they created RAH, they allowed pilots from Chataqua to transfer to RAH, TSA pilots did not have that option at GJ, instead if they were to go over they would have to go as new hires.
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I was at TSA when all of this happened. Now remember, the union leader told us all to vote down the offer for TSA pilots to capture this flying and the company said this is our final and only offer. So what happened, the pilots voted it down. The MEC promised to get more for the pilots and when he went back to the company to negociate, the company said nope, that was our final offer. Then about 3 weeks later, the MEC chairman went crawling back to the company and said he wanted the deal for the GoJet flying and would except the companies offer. Well, the company said ok be we need concessions from the pilot group,so it never happened. Now tell me wouldn't it of been better to capture the GoJet flying when you had the chance but the pilots followed the worthless union we had at the time and turned it down. It would of been better to get the planes on property and get a better payscale on the next contract then not have them at all.
The TSA pilots have nobody to blame except for themselves for not getting this flying.
Now tell me, how many of those pilots that voted no, would change their vote to yes now?
wjpilot
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Wrong, they were allowed to go over and keep their longevity from flying at TSA and not start as newhires. Every pilot got a memo in their mailboxes explaining that to them if they went over. Get you facts correct before you post.
siucavflight
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I believe that you are incorrect. IF in fact I am wrong, and they were all allowed to go over with their longevity then it will seriously change my opinion of Go-Jets.
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If this is not Flame Bait...
Can you please post a screen shot, for those of us that can't log on to the employee side.
Frank Bama
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I remember when I voted no on the LOA for G0Jet flying...a pay rate that didn't keep up with the cost of living, another 4 year contract extension, and furlough protection for all G0jet pilots already on property. Gee, I can't imagine why we voted no.
G0Jet, scab wannabes and always will be.
G0Jet, scab wannabes and always will be.
Salukipilot4590
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Half and half. They could take 5 years longevity with them.
wjpilot
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Well I bet the pilots that are getting furloughed now would have taken that offer to save their jobs now.
siucavflight
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So what wjpilot said was made up? They could not go with their longevity? Going with five years longevity is not going with your longevity.
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I voted NO and would still vote NO knowing what I know now. The offer was bs at best. 4 year extention and basically what equaled furlough protection to the gojet guys since the letter said that they could furlough via equipment type instead of DOH.
You guys who call Gojet pilot scabs are idiots, and no I do not work there. So, I guess if Express or RAH got them that would be ok because it wouldn't be Gojets. Most of the guys working there had no idea when they got hired what had happened. If they are scabs then everytime flying goes up for bid and a new regional gets it and takes it away from another their scabs right?
Dude, you clearly have no idea about whats going on there. I would advise you to study up or stay out of this discussion.
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As I was talking with my buddy the other day I saw a GoJet guy get denied the jumpseat on ASA the other day. The guy showed up, presented his credentials and nicely asked the Captain. The Capt looked right at him, laughed and said "No scabs, get out of my face".
Turns out the GoJetter had been denied 3 jumpseats in a row including other airlines and was trying to get home to a family emergency.
Man that's rough....
Turns out the GoJetter had been denied 3 jumpseats in a row including other airlines and was trying to get home to a family emergency.
Man that's rough....
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SkyBoy1981
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If it's that serious of an emergency surely there are other means of getting home besides using the jumspseat. No sympathy... if I have a serious family emergency and the flights are full I'll figure out a way to buy a ticket if I have to.
siucavflight
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You are full of it.
nwa_contrails
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You really are the lowest person on this board. You're laughing while 400+ pilots are going to be out of work. Disgusting. You are scum.
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I think he was being sarcastic, there is nothing on that website about these CRJ200s. This is pure flame...
However that doesnt mean its not completely true. I actually think they will be flying CRJ9s for Delta or are in talks about it. Really ....who wants to get into the 50 seat market right now? HK might not be the nicest labor relations CEO, but he sure aint stupid.
Regional flying does not belong to regionals, the mainline carrier can do as they see fit. That is the stark reality of the situation for regional airlines.
However that doesnt mean its not completely true. I actually think they will be flying CRJ9s for Delta or are in talks about it. Really ....who wants to get into the 50 seat market right now? HK might not be the nicest labor relations CEO, but he sure aint stupid.
Regional flying does not belong to regionals, the mainline carrier can do as they see fit. That is the stark reality of the situation for regional airlines.
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Lets also not forget that you had to interview to go over to GO***. They were only going to take who they wanted. Period. End of story. Look at who went over and that is fuc*ing obvious. TSA management lackeys and loser lifers. I was at TSA for 5 years and if I would have gone over I would have taken a pay cut to fly a larger aircraft. They max longevity was 5 years. The senior guys at TSA had been there for 10 years. Thank god I left 3 years ago.
Well I was ashamed I voted YES back in the day cause I knew this day would come. But in my eyes we would have lost the battle but had a chance to win the war 4 years later with more leverage in negotiations. That being said, TSA will not go away, they will turn into what GoJet is in the far future. GoJet will have all the flying as TSA has 5 or so 145's flying. And come negotiations for GoJet management will do the same thing and move flying to TSA. And the cycle will continue. In the movie Speed, Reeve's said take the hostage out of the equation. Simple, that place sucks. Just F-ing leave!. You will never win.
Frank was really right.
Frank was really right.
OldManPilot
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Go-Jets is not going to have any trouble filling pilot seats. There are so many furloughed pilots out there with limited jobs available. I have several friends that have lost their homes, medical insurance etc... These guys/gals are not interested in this petty TSA vs. GoJets squabble, they simply need jobs to survive. I suggest you suspend this idiotic regional airline cry baby behavior until the economy improves. Nobody cares, or will give you ANY respect. Remember furloughed pilots once recalled at many airlines DO have imput on who gets hired. KARMA my fellow pilots, KARMA...
SkyBoy1981
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Funny how someone who was not so long ago flying the WSCoD for a regional airline suddenly thinks that flying a Boeing gives them the right to be condescending. Like it or not, we're all in the same profession together...
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Ok.... 2 months of 1000 per month during training. No housing allowance until AFTER you pass IOE. Monthly guarantee after taxes equates to about 1200 per month. Even if you have 19000 hours and have flown the 757 or 747 or whatever, there is NO upgrading, plenty more with seniority. Airport reserve as an FO for a long time..
My point?? You can make more throwing boxes at UPS or taking orders at the applebees than you will working at Gojet. Your argument is MONEY, no more MONEY, then you don't have to resort to regional FO flying. Because all that does is fix the issue of being current not the issue of paying your mortgage and what your wife with the Audi or 2 kids were used to when you did work at United, ATA or whatever other major airline who has furloughed. I can't belive there are furloughed mainline going back to regional right seat. You can make more and be home if you worked at McDonlads. Leave these FO jobs for the starving CFIs with lots of debt, you've had your fun.
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SkyBoy1981
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Also.. let's say, speaking hypothetically, that when you were at CHQ Mr. Bedford had decided to take all of those 170's and put them not only on a seperate operating certificate but hire seperate pilots with a seperate seniority list to fly them. Let's say this part of the company continued to grow while people were furloughed from your seniority list. Let's say that you had been the victim of an alter ego airline.. would your opinion on this whole thing still be so nonschalant? I'm thinking that you're only willing to brush this whole thing under the rug because you were not personally affected by it.. and to top it off you use a condescending tone in your post as if you are now an almighty Boeing pilot looking down on us childish RJ pilots bickering at each other. That's just wrong bud.. no matter how you try to slice it.
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I too have moved on. But people do care. I was asked about it on 2 major interviews. Ironically my opinion didn't matter all that matters is how you dealt with it, what you learned, if you hold a grudge. Character. No one is in position to say how much they think they are worth as a pilot. Make no mistake about it I'm not pro-GoJet but if you flying is all you know, like most of us, then get paid. Go take care of your family. Do what you have to do. All I learned is it's a lot of work being pissed off about stuff in the past.
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