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[100LL... Again!]

Rightfully? According to who?

I'm not saying that they should not have that flying, but by whose standards do you decide that?

 

[DX Rick]

Frank Lorenzo Has lifetime benefits on CAL. He has a home in ACK. Of course is only boarded after revenue pax. However I do believe a weight restriction would take care of that problem I never got the chance to do it to him as a captain, but when I was an ATR FO I knew Captains that did. An ATR weight restricted.......Imagine that

He's actually made his face seen in public? Wonder if the "hitmen" who were after would like to hear this.

 

[SennaP1]

I am betting that they will furlough the new guys like me and then offer the oppurtunity to go to work at G0 Jets. Bunch of new crap just come down today and it stinks.
Told the whole new hire class that we where going to be in STL instead of RIC now and advised the CA upgrades to bid STL for a better deal. I'll be surprised if in December I still have a job with Ttrans States. All this today and they want me study tonight?

Maybe losing the Airways flying? It's all out of RIC. Sorry.

Former WS'er

 

[mckpickle]

He's actually made his face seen in public? Wonder if the "hitmen" who were after would like to hear this.

He certainly looks like a squirely little basted. Tries to hide behind his newspaper when he sees a pilots uniform. CorkSucker

 

[Black Water Dog]

I'll be surprised if in December I still have a job with Ttrans States. All this today and they want me study tonight?

Trust me Tired ... not having a job at Trans States is a GOOD thing.

 

[FreedomAList]

Quick and dirty version: management wants to outsource TSA's flying to different pilots, rather than deal with the existing union, so they created a NON-ALPA "alter-ego" carrier (NOTE: NOT non-union -- company could care less if pilots are union or not), G0Jets, and are trying to bring it up to speed using Trans State Airline's training department, instructors, etc.

Basically, taking jobs and outsourcing them to cheaper labor (the rumor is that pay rates will be "close to or better" than existing TSA book, but I'm betting the rest of the contract, when taken as a whole, is less expensive than TSA's).

The evil of this, of course, is that there a pilots out there who are ready, willing, and able to undercut the TSA pilots just to get a flying job, KNOWING FULL WELL that they are undercutting another pilot group. About as close to being a scab as you can get without an actual picket line existing. Basically Mesa / Freedom Air all over again.

I'm still not quite understanding why management doesn't barter more with the TSA pilots, but I haven't followed it as closely as I probably should.

All more or less true, BUT YOU FORGOT ONE THING!

ALPA gave TSA the excuse it needed to do this by having competing scope at ANOTHER ALPA CARRIER that prohibited TSA from operating CRJ700's on it. So to fly the planes, TSA had to create an alter-ego (GJs). TSA could care less if the pilots want a union or not (they went with teamsters). Same thing happened at Mesa/Freedom (Usair ALPA wouldn't let Mesa ALPA fly >50 seats for America West).

ALPA f-ing another ALPA group, if you ask me. But at least they can point the finger at a ready made scape-goat, and get away with it because 99.9% pilots just don't give a rats.

 

[flyer172r]

All more or less true, BUT YOU FORGOT ONE THING!

ALPA gave TSA the excuse it needed to do this by having competing scope at ANOTHER ALPA CARRIER that prohibited TSA from operating CRJ700's on it. So to fly the planes, TSA had to create an alter-ego (GJs). TSA could care less if the pilots want a union or not (they went with teamsters). Same thing happened at Mesa/Freedom (Usair ALPA wouldn't let Mesa ALPA fly >50 seats for America West).

ALPA f-ing another ALPA group, if you ask me. But at least they can point the finger at a ready made scape-goat, and get away with it because 99.9% pilots just don't give a rats.

American isn't ALPA, they're APA. And yes, GJ has a different ID than TSA.

 

[jtf]

The word is that a Trans States crew- CA and FO- were fired for denying GJ flight crew from IND to STL. I don't know if GJ was positive space or jumpseating, but either way a crew has now been fired. That is the sorry state we are working in. I guess PIC really isn't PIC at Trans States. I wonder how low SIC is now. While I'm sure they will win the grievance to get their jobs back with full back pay, they will still be gone for quite a while since this company loves to take as long as possible with any and all grievances. I guess it might be for the best to ditch this sinking ship.

 

[temcgrew]

I have not heard if they lost their jobs. The rumor that I heard was the GJer was denied boarding becouse of the Nonrev dress code.

 

[410dude]

You guys need to relax and see what's going to happen at GJ. Maybe everything will turn out alright. You have just seen what will happen to you when you make rash decisions.

 

[fuelflow]

They lost their jobs because the Captain denied boarding to a passenger flying on a non-rev pass simply because he worked for GJ (he stated so before the passenger even boarded). Rumor has it that the Captain wasn't a very sharp individual.

Dress code? Sounds like more TSA MEC lies.

 

[BoilerUP]

Dress code? Sounds like more TSA MEC lies.

You know you sound like Baghdad Bob with all that spin, right?

"There is no truth to the imperialist ALPA lies. There is no ALPA at HoJets."

"Word on the street" is the Captain is the final authority for anybody on his or her aircraft, at least according to the FAA, and I'm not sure they would appreciate the company taking punitive action against the Captain, usurping his authority. A certain cargo carrier went through a similar event a few weeks ago and the FAA got involved regarding captain's authority.

 

[fuelflow]

Spin? And you know all this how? Don't you swing gear for some corporate outfit?I'm on the ground floor, and I know enough people at both places to understand what's going on. If you want to blindly follow their lies, go ahead.

Denying passage to non-revs based upon for whom they work? That's a letter I wouldn't want to have in my file when the PRIA requests come.

 

[fuelflow]

And your interpretation of Captain's authority shows your lack of experience. Grow up.

 

[fuelflow]

This just in - - - Apparently there were three eye witnesses who said the non-rev was in a button-down shirt and dress pants. No alcohol involved, and they said he behaved like a gentleman.


The irony? He was a former American Eagle pilot / ALPA MEC sheduling committee chairman. The aircraft he was denied boarding from was a former American Eagle aircraft. Rumor is that these aircraft are still owned by AMR.

 

[Palmtree Pilot]

This just in - - - Apparently there were three eye witnesses who said the non-rev was in a button-down shirt and dress pants. No alcohol involved, and they said he behaved like a gentleman.

"And your interpretation of Captain's authority shows your lack of experience. Grow up."




You might want to look in the mirror the next time you say that.

Yes or No, it's just that simple,........ Captain's authority.


PtP

 

[millhouse21]

Fuel Flow, I think that any former ALPA officer who goes to work for an alter-ego carrier to undercut another ALPA group can be safely said to have given up any right to be called a gentleman.

 

[fuelflow]

"And your interpretation of Captain's authority shows your lack of experience. Grow up."




You might want to look in the mirror the next time you say that.

Yes or No, it's just that simple,........ Captain's authority.


PtP

With authority comes responsibility. You have the authority to make whatever decisions you want at the time, but if you deviate from the norm, you'll have to explain yourself at some point. If you exercise captain's authority to deviate from normal procedures during an emergency, you'll answer to the FAA. If you use your captain's authority to make decisions which affect an airline's business, you have the authority at the time, but you will answer to them for it. It doesn't matter if you work for AA, Southwest, UPS, or anywhere else.

Trust me when I say that the FAA doesn't care, TSA's MEC will lose the grievance, and this guy will learn his lesson the hard way.

 

[FreedomAList]

You know you sound like Baghdad Bob with all that spin, right?

"There is no truth to the imperialist ALPA lies. There is no ALPA at HoJets."

"Word on the street" is the Captain is the final authority for anybody on his or her aircraft, at least according to the FAA, and I'm not sure they would appreciate the company taking punitive action against the Captain, usurping his authority. A certain cargo carrier went through a similar event a few weeks ago and the FAA got involved regarding captain's authority.

True. However, jumpseat is a COMPANY ASSET, not Captains personal fiefdom. No one is questioning he has the right to deny anyone. But if asked BY HIS EMPLOYER AND OWNER OF THE JUMPSEAT, he better have a reason besides "I hate those guys."

Hypothetically, would you still defend a captain who denied an otherwise qualified jumpseater just because he hated blacks? He's the sole authortity, right? So if he has a hang up with <"the N-word">'s, that ok by you, right? He should be able to deny all darkies without getting in any trouble whatsoever?

He has authority. But he also has accountability for how he uses that authority. If TSA said this is unacceptable behavior, he should be disciplined.

 

[FreedomAList]

American isn't ALPA, they're APA. And yes, GJ has a different ID than TSA.

Whatever. My point is, this whole cluster was started because a "major" airline shoved scope down a regional carriers muzzle. Then DW came around to tell the regional this was for their own good.

"Take one for the team" should be the motto for all regional ALPA affiliates.

 

[Palmtree Pilot]

True. However, jumpseat is a COMPANY ASSET, not Captains personal fiefdom. No one is questioning he has the right to deny anyone. But if asked BY HIS EMPLOYER AND OWNER OF THE JUMPSEAT, he better have a reason besides "I hate those guys."

That jumpseat is mine when I sign for that aircraft. PERIOD. Not the companies.

The only people that I would give an explanation for not letting in the jumpseat, only if inquired about, would be the FAA or a company dispatcher doing their ride along.

If I don't feel comfortable or feel uneasy with a non required crew member in my cockpit, why would my company, the FAA or ANYONE require me to do something that is distracting me from doing my job safely.

Deviate from the norm....... not excepting a jumpseater?

Fuel flow, what did you just read up on your FARs?

Don't get your panties in too big of a wad!


PtP

 

[BoilerUP]

Spin? And you know all this how? Don't you swing gear for some corporate outfit?I'm on the ground floor, and I know enough people at both places to understand what's going on. If you want to blindly follow their lies, go ahead.

Denying passage to non-revs based upon for whom they work? That's a letter I wouldn't want to have in my file when the PRIA requests come.

I'm glad you are on the ground floor and know what is going on. You get your information from rumors, and immedately dismiss anything against your cause as "lies". If that's not spin, I don't know what is.

And your interpretation of Captain's authority shows your lack of experience. Grow up.

Seems there are alot of unionized pilots, both ALPA and otherwise, that agree with me. It very well may be the company's seat, but its the captain's decision who, if anybody, sits in that seat. It's the company's privilege to open it up to jumpseaters and nonrev pax, but FAA looks down on companies taking punitive action against a captain in this matter. If you don't believe me, ask the FAA and the Executive Board of the IPA.

 

[Lear70]

The irony? He was a former American Eagle pilot / ALPA MEC sheduling committee chairman. The aircraft he was denied boarding from was a former American Eagle aircraft. Rumor is that these aircraft are still owned by AMR.

Ironic? You betcha. An ALPA VOLUNTEER going to work for an alter-ego carrier and undercutting his (former) fellow ALPA brethren in the process. What a scumbag.

Incidentally, the real question is whether he was pass-riding or jumpseating. If jumpseating, the way the Captain feels about him or her is EXTREMELY important; if that animosity would in any way jeopardize the ability of that jumpseater to effectively act as a crewmember, then the jumpseat may be rightfully denied and the Captain and F/O will have their jobs back eventually.

If the G0 Jets person was simply pass-riding and was appropriately dressed and mannered, then the crew is pretty much SOL (the F/O may get his job back if the Capt takes the heat for the decision).

 

[ricj41]

I can only imagine this arbitration hearing.
Arbitrator: I see the captain was fired for not allowing a jumpseater from another airline. What else.
DH: That's it.
A: What do you mean that's it. How is that a fireable offense.
DH: Well the jumpseater was working for an alter ego airline TSH set up. We are trying to bust up the TSA pilot union and scare those members and figured this would be a good way to do that.

And who is this looser that goes crying to management that he got denied the jumpseat. "Daddy! Daddy! Those mean Trans States pilots won't let me jumpseat." How professional is that?

 

[jjetpilot]

The FO left the company because he got a better job offer. Have not heard anything on the Captain but safe to say if he was terminated then he will get his job back in time with FULL backpay........

 

[E170Guppykiller]

The FO left the company because he got a better job offer. Have not heard anything on the Captain but safe to say if he was terminated then he will get his job back in time with FULL backpay........

That won't amount to much!

 

[Reebo]

That won't amount to much!

And what is your hourly rate on that massive guppy killer youre so proud of?


Now arriving the E-170, lowering career expectations one flight at a time!

 

[E170Guppykiller]

You are right, the pays not great in the right seat, but i'll be upgrading soon and the pay will be much better.

 

[Lear70]

You are right, the pays not great in the right seat, but i'll be upgrading soon and the pay will be much better.

Are you this much of a tool on EVERY thread you post on? Been reading some of them and if you really are a pilot and believe what you say, you need a meeting with an "attitude adjuster" as mentioned in another post.

 

[DX Rick]

You are right, the pays not great in the right seat, but i'll be upgrading soon and the pay will be much better.

It's scum like you, that have caused this industry to be what it is today. I hope someone pisses in your cheerios for the rest of your pathetic life.