GO Jet

[viper548]

I heard their delivery slots were going to SkyWest because they didn't get up to speed fast enough. Anyone know about this?

 

[Lear70]

So I gotta ask, Ive been in the 135/corp world for a while and I have no idea who Go-Jet is and what they did to make everyone so pissed off at them... what was it?

Quick and dirty version: management wants to outsource TSA's flying to different pilots, rather than deal with the existing union, so they created an "alter-ego" carrier, G0Jets, and are trying to bring it up to speed using Trans State Airline's training department, instructors, etc.

Basically, taking jobs and outsourcing them to cheaper labor (the rumor is that pay rates will be "close to or better" than existing TSA book, but I'm betting the rest of the contract, when taken as a whole, is less expensive than TSA's).

The evil of this, of course, is that there a pilots out there who are ready, willing, and able to undercut the TSA pilots just to get a flying job, KNOWING FULL WELL that they are undercutting another pilot group. About as close to being a scab as you can get without an actual picket line existing. Basically Mesa / Freedom Air all over again.

I'm still not quite understanding why management doesn't barter more with the TSA pilots, but I haven't followed it as closely as I probably should.

 

[Tarzan]

I am betting that they will furlough the new guys like me and then offer the oppurtunity to go to work at G0 Jets. Bunch of new crap just come down today and it stinks.
Told the whole new hire class that we where going to be in STL instead of RIC now and advised the CA upgrades to bid STL for a better deal. I'll be surprised if in December I still have a job with Ttrans States. All this today and they want me study tonight?

 

[girlsandbeer]

wow, now i understand.... thanks-

 

[mckpickle]

Has the GO JETS pilots list been updated recently? I want to make sure I have the most recent copy.

 

[410dude]

Look at my avatar and see what good union people they really are before you go threatening them.

 

[gobigred1]

Remember guys, it is easy to disallow a jumpseater. Technically GJ doesn't exist so obviously they have no jumpseat agreement with ANY airline, TSA included. As far as kicking off a positive space passenger, good luck with that. We did remove one of them from our flight. Luckily when we did it, both crew members were short-timers so we didn't care. If you want to keep your job, I would be very careful before you go down this road. People have been fired for less. Its funny how GJ (aka TSA holdings) will positive space GJ pilots back and forth between home and training but leave TSA crews stranded on the road without a positive space dead head back home from a trip. Nice!!

 

[mckpickle]

Remember guys, it is easy to disallow a jumpseater. Technically GJ doesn't exist so obviously they have no jumpseat agreement with ANY airline, TSA included. As far as kicking off a positive space passenger, good luck with that. We did remove one of them from our flight. Luckily when we did it, both crew members were short-timers so we didn't care. If you want to keep your job, I would be very careful before you go down this road. People have been fired for less. Its funny how GJ (aka TSA holdings) will positive space GJ pilots back and forth between home and training but leave TSA crews stranded on the road without a positive space dead head back home from a trip. Nice!!

Frank Lorenzo Has lifetime benefits on CAL. He has a home in ACK. Of course is only boarded after revenue pax. However I do believe a weight restriction would take care of that problem I never got the chance to do it to him as a captain, but when I was an ATR FO I knew Captains that did. An ATR weight restricted.......Imagine that

 

[blackbox]

Its funny how GJ (aka TSA holdings) will positive space GJ pilots back and forth between home and training but leave TSA crews stranded on the road without a positive space dead head back home from a trip. Nice!!

You gotta be sh!tting me. I hope thats really not the case. I got a buddy at TSA and he is scared because he is hearing rumors that management might come after them for wage concessions due to GJ. I dont know where/who he heard it from, thats just what he told me.

Does GJ pilots have a different ID than TSA?

 

[Lear70]

Look at my avatar and see what good union people they really are before you go threatening them.

Oh God... is THAT flamebait if I've ever seen it.

Fact is, they willingly took a job undercutting other pilots who should rightfully have had that flying. Makes them pure sh*t in my book, and a lot of other's... end of story, as there is NO way they will ever redeem themselves from such an action.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Rightfully? According to who?

I'm not saying that they should not have that flying, but by whose standards do you decide that?

 

[DX Rick]

Frank Lorenzo Has lifetime benefits on CAL. He has a home in ACK. Of course is only boarded after revenue pax. However I do believe a weight restriction would take care of that problem I never got the chance to do it to him as a captain, but when I was an ATR FO I knew Captains that did. An ATR weight restricted.......Imagine that

He's actually made his face seen in public? Wonder if the "hitmen" who were after would like to hear this.

 

[SennaP1]

I am betting that they will furlough the new guys like me and then offer the oppurtunity to go to work at G0 Jets. Bunch of new crap just come down today and it stinks.
Told the whole new hire class that we where going to be in STL instead of RIC now and advised the CA upgrades to bid STL for a better deal. I'll be surprised if in December I still have a job with Ttrans States. All this today and they want me study tonight?

Maybe losing the Airways flying? It's all out of RIC. Sorry.

Former WS'er

 

[mckpickle]

He's actually made his face seen in public? Wonder if the "hitmen" who were after would like to hear this.

He certainly looks like a squirely little basted. Tries to hide behind his newspaper when he sees a pilots uniform. CorkSucker

 

[Black Water Dog]

I'll be surprised if in December I still have a job with Ttrans States. All this today and they want me study tonight?

Trust me Tired ... not having a job at Trans States is a GOOD thing.

 

[FreedomAList]

Quick and dirty version: management wants to outsource TSA's flying to different pilots, rather than deal with the existing union, so they created a NON-ALPA "alter-ego" carrier (NOTE: NOT non-union -- company could care less if pilots are union or not), G0Jets, and are trying to bring it up to speed using Trans State Airline's training department, instructors, etc.

Basically, taking jobs and outsourcing them to cheaper labor (the rumor is that pay rates will be "close to or better" than existing TSA book, but I'm betting the rest of the contract, when taken as a whole, is less expensive than TSA's).

The evil of this, of course, is that there a pilots out there who are ready, willing, and able to undercut the TSA pilots just to get a flying job, KNOWING FULL WELL that they are undercutting another pilot group. About as close to being a scab as you can get without an actual picket line existing. Basically Mesa / Freedom Air all over again.

I'm still not quite understanding why management doesn't barter more with the TSA pilots, but I haven't followed it as closely as I probably should.

All more or less true, BUT YOU FORGOT ONE THING!

ALPA gave TSA the excuse it needed to do this by having competing scope at ANOTHER ALPA CARRIER that prohibited TSA from operating CRJ700's on it. So to fly the planes, TSA had to create an alter-ego (GJs). TSA could care less if the pilots want a union or not (they went with teamsters). Same thing happened at Mesa/Freedom (Usair ALPA wouldn't let Mesa ALPA fly >50 seats for America West).

ALPA f-ing another ALPA group, if you ask me. But at least they can point the finger at a ready made scape-goat, and get away with it because 99.9% pilots just don't give a rats.

 

[flyer172r]

All more or less true, BUT YOU FORGOT ONE THING!

ALPA gave TSA the excuse it needed to do this by having competing scope at ANOTHER ALPA CARRIER that prohibited TSA from operating CRJ700's on it. So to fly the planes, TSA had to create an alter-ego (GJs). TSA could care less if the pilots want a union or not (they went with teamsters). Same thing happened at Mesa/Freedom (Usair ALPA wouldn't let Mesa ALPA fly >50 seats for America West).

ALPA f-ing another ALPA group, if you ask me. But at least they can point the finger at a ready made scape-goat, and get away with it because 99.9% pilots just don't give a rats.

American isn't ALPA, they're APA. And yes, GJ has a different ID than TSA.

 

[jtf]

The word is that a Trans States crew- CA and FO- were fired for denying GJ flight crew from IND to STL. I don't know if GJ was positive space or jumpseating, but either way a crew has now been fired. That is the sorry state we are working in. I guess PIC really isn't PIC at Trans States. I wonder how low SIC is now. While I'm sure they will win the grievance to get their jobs back with full back pay, they will still be gone for quite a while since this company loves to take as long as possible with any and all grievances. I guess it might be for the best to ditch this sinking ship.

 

[temcgrew]

I have not heard if they lost their jobs. The rumor that I heard was the GJer was denied boarding becouse of the Nonrev dress code.

 

[410dude]

You guys need to relax and see what's going to happen at GJ. Maybe everything will turn out alright. You have just seen what will happen to you when you make rash decisions.