GJET PAY vs TSA...duh!!

[tjsatter]

Hey, TJ it's not "Fatboy" it's "FAT BASTARD" :cartman:

I stand corrected, you are of course correct

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Fuelflow,
Yes, you are right on one point, and that is that we do have the most expensive contract.

But here is how you solve the issue. And this goes for ANY pilot group. Grow a backbone. When your next negotiations come up, the company will put some really low-ball bullsh!t piece of paper in front of you. And here is how you counter: When you stop laughing, then put AWAC's Contract 1999 down in front of them. And tell them that under no uncertain terms will you as a group accept anything less. They'll threaten that they can't afford it(don't worry, they CAN afford it, they just don't want to), and that other carriers will steal all of your flying. I know that some of your low-timer SJS types will buy into that but be strong, and hold your ground. We did, and they did sign.

That is how you bring this industry back up.

Not what you guys at GJ are doing.

Scum.

Sincerely,
Rekks

 

[redbook]

I guess that he is the company lawyer, D.H. aka "FatBoy" since his philosophical and rhetorical style so closely matches that of also seen by one former poster on TSALounge known to be him. If he is not DH the he is surely a common bedfellow with him.

tj

there are basically a few g0jet scumbags who post on here, and a few morons who want to stir the pot; otherwise overwhelmingly this board reflects the rest of the industry's distaste of dirtbag jet. King Kong 2 is one of the morons that went over; Dan is panicking. Fuelflow, I have to disagree, TJ, is not Fat Bastard. The rhetorical style is MUCH different. His first name is probably Dave though, but not Dave H, but Dave T. Trying to sound moderate and thoughtful but saying idiotic, contradictory things, like " I don't care who does the flying, I just want it done at a fair payscale".
This from a guy who is quoted in the newspaper as saying that Alpa is driving down G0jet wages!!The whole world knows that g0jet was created to drive down the wages and work rules at tsa. Just like the his buddy fat bastard, Dave T will tell you black is white and white is black. Dave, you are just as screwed as your buddy Dan K, and this why nobody wanted you to be MEC chairman. Since you couldn't become MEC chairmen you decided to become a flight manager; then that wasn't enough, so you decided to screw your fellow pilots over and become one of the first four pilots at G0jet. You are an idiot, a hypocrite, and a liar. I don't think you want to show your face in a bar in STL.

 

[fuelflow]

Nice tj and redbook -

Nice try on both counts. If anyone disagrees with your status quo they MUST be management. And don't make any industry assumptions, as most pilots don't wish to partake in your civil war. DK doesn't even work at GJ anymore. I don't speak for GJ, the IBT, King Kong or anyone else posting here. If you have problems with any of my posts, address them specifically.

 

[210FR8DOG]

Nice tj and redbook -

Nice try on both counts. If anyone disagrees with your status quo they MUST be management. And don't make any industry assumptions, as most pilots don't wish to partake in your civil war. DK doesn't even work at GJ anymore. I don't speak for GJ, the IBT, King Kong or anyone else posting here. If you have problems with any of my posts, address them specifically.

Fine spermflow, answer this one question and DON'T DODGE IT. How can you justify flying a 70 seater for a dollar more an hour than TSA and AWAC 50 SEAT PAY and deny that you are dragging down the whole industry? Your a cancer on 3 levels.

You've taken money out of my pocket, ditto any pilot at Trans States airlines who is a fairly senior FO waiting for their RIGHTFUL time to upgrade, and you've taken money out of the pocket of every regional airline pilot who will be negotiating a contract in the next decade by bringing down the industry average for everyone.

 

[Tarzan]

And don't make any industry assumptions, as most pilots don't wish to partake in your civil war.

I wouldn't make comments like that either except if it makes you feel better. It appears that more pilots do support TSA and have a certain disdain for G0Jets. But hey, it's okay though. It's all about that quick upgrade even if you have to crawl over your buddy's paycheck to do it. I don't care for it but I don't hate any of you guys either. There are always circumstances that I don't see, but I still can't excuse it either.

Heres what should worry you though. If the company had offered a staple and no furlough protection, they probably could have gotten that four year or even a five year extention. There are some fairly upset folks that will hose themselves just to hose you guys worse. That would be my biggest concern right now. And if you really think the company wouldn't do it because they promised.... It wouldn't be the first any company has renigged on a promise to workers to better their position economically.

 

[logolight]

O.K. How about this idea. You tell managment in your negociations that you want the exact same pay scale and work rules as Trans States and insist there's no reason why you should be paid any less than your counter parts. Can you do that?

fuelflow, I'm still waiting for you to answer my above question. Can you tell your managment that you will work for no less than your counter parts at Trans States?

 

[redbook]

Nice tj and redbook -

Nice try on both counts. If anyone disagrees with your status quo they MUST be management. And don't make any industry assumptions, as most pilots don't wish to partake in your civil war. DK doesn't even work at GJ anymore. I don't speak for GJ, the IBT, King Kong or anyone else posting here. If you have problems with any of my posts, address them specifically.

We have been over this a thousand times in the last year with you. We make a point about tsa having a normal growth opportunity, and then it being yanked away and staffed with turncoats and opportunist scumbags like yourself; you respond with attacking the mec, alpa national, eagle pilots, twa vs amr, chq vs cmr, and any other issue in aviation. Our points are clear; the industry knows who is who. You are the enemy of every professional pilot trying to make a career in this industry. Keep it up, we will be here to engage you for as long as it takes.

 

[fuelflow]

Absolutely. My feeling is that GJ will accept no less, if not more. Our committee said the company already offered us the proposal given to the TSA pilots (plus our scheduling enhancements), and was rejected out of hand.

I don't see us keeping TSA's 1% matching and $400+ med/dental plan, to name a few. Considering the number of furloughed mainline and retired military pilots here, I doubt anyone will have trouble walking away from this job if we don't get what we want. We have the leverage to negotiate, and are not hampered by the APA scope and a compromised MEC.

So, to answer your question Rekks, the answer is yes. And I think our pilots and our union think likewise.

 

[fuelflow]

Absolutely. My feeling is that GJ will accept no less, if not more. Our committee said the company already offered us the proposal given to the TSA pilots (plus our scheduling enhancements), and was rejected out of hand.

I don't see us keeping TSA's 1% matching and $400+ med/dental plan, to name a few. Considering the number of furloughed mainline and retired military pilots here, I doubt anyone will have trouble walking away from this job if we don't get what we want. We have the leverage to negotiate, and are not hampered by the APA scope and a compromised MEC.

So, to answer your question Rekks, the answer is yes. And I think our pilots and our union think likewise.

 

[Shrek]

Studder much Fuel Flow?

 

[Shrek]

Fuelflow,
Yes, you are right on one point, and that is that we do have the most expensive contract.

But here is how you solve the issue. And this goes for ANY pilot group. Grow a backbone. When your next negotiations come up, the company will put some really low-ball bullsh!t piece of paper in front of you. And here is how you counter: When you stop laughing, then put AWAC's Contract 1999 down in front of them. And tell them that under no uncertain terms will you as a group accept anything less. They'll threaten that they can't afford it(don't worry, they CAN afford it, they just don't want to), and that other carriers will steal all of your flying. I know that some of your low-timer SJS types will buy into that but be strong, and hold your ground. We did, and they did sign.

That is how you bring this industry back up.

Not what you guys at GJ are doing.

Scum.

Sincerely,
Rekks

I heard what happened at negotiating time with AWAC......the MEC walks into the room.....MGT has a copy of the MESA contract sitting on the table........AWAC MEC chairman picks up the contract pauses...then chucks it into the can and the whole MEC walks out.............CLASSIC

THAT'S HOW YOU ROLL

 

[210FR8DOG]

Or just ignore the question all together, spermflow. Thats a new tactic. No more spouting off about how you're justified going to gayjets because of all the other problems in the industry. Whats one more little ole alter ego airline gonna hurt?

 

[blackbox]

It is a simple economic rule of supply and demand. Too many pilots willing to fly for $18,000 a year. If there were a need for pilots the salaries would go up.

I will have to disagree with you on that one. Regionals have been short pilots this year and last. But instead of raising pay to attract better/experienced/qualified pilots, they just lowered their mins to 600. I.E. Expressjet, ASA, etc..

 

[Jason Kagan]

We have the leverage to negotiate, and are not hampered by the APA scope and a compromised MEC.

fuelflow,

How has the TSA MEC been compromised?

 

[purduedchi]

Fuel Flow,

you talk of this one pilot going to CAL is if he was able to get there because os GJ. That individual ran my old crashpad in STL. He was at ATA and was furloughed. Part of his furlough alllowed for him to receive a garunteed interview at Southwest and CAL. This was due to WN basically buying out/codesharing with ATA, and CAL buying 757's from ATA. This individual was in class for about a week I believe. He is a great guy...and while I don't agree with his decision, he walked out of GJ, and may have walked out anyway beacuse they were making them come to class 7 days a week, 10 hours a day. So please...once again...include all the facts, not just spinning it to fit your bill.

 

[Shrek]

Snap........LOL

 

[Shrek]

fuelflow,

How has the TSA MEC been compromised?

The fact is that it hasn't............more lies

 

[J32driver]

I'm still waiting for the schmuck to actually answer the question posed to him.

WHY DID YOU CHOOSE TO BE EMPLOYED AT HOJETS?

 

[Fblowjets]

He still does not know. Probably at the Hojets training center finding is other 4 friends to come up with an answer.........

 

[temcgrew]

you talk of this one pilot going to CAL is if he was able to get there because of GJ......Part of his furlough alllowed for him to receive a garunteed interview at Southwest and CAL.

BINGO!

Thanks purduechi

T-MAC.

 

[Skippy]

G0jet is a cancer for which there is no cure, only temporary remission with the possibility of rearing its ugly head again- in the future --with another pilot group and another airline to eventually kill in the longrun.

If you guys were worth a schit- you touched on the subject that you guys have the upper hand when negotiating with TSAH, so why dont you use that to your advantage and get an extra 600 pilots and alpa behind you and come together as opposed to divide the labor? All it takes is a few phone calls and we could set it all up thereby throwing a tremendous, unhittable, curve ball to TSAH. They would have to listen and listen quickly-- Both groups could inevitably get what they were wanting. They would never see that coming. If you dont think a deal is imminent, then you are a complete moron and yes you will still be junior to me.

SKIPPY, the OG since 1998
real men post with names

 

[Shrek]

Well put Skippy........

 

[fuelflow]

A quick reply to several posts -

JK - The TSA MEC has repeatedly misrepresented their legal position to their pilots, has no scope protection, and a contract extension which puts the threat of section 6 negotiations too late.

purdue - Regardless how he got the interview, he still passed an interview board with GJ on his resume and application. They still hired him, didn't care about the GJ issue. This will continue to happen. Until you understand how most majors hire pilots, I'm sure you can believe your union's rhetoric. AND fyi, he had less than 1 week of GS remaining, and he left for no other reason than to go to CAL. Other pilots have left for other carriers as well, and will continue to do so. There are actually more former mainline and military pilots (as a %) at GJ than any other regional, so I doubt anyone's career prospects will suffer.

Skippy - I thought the guys at GJ from TSA tried that early on

 

[fuelflow]

Skippy -

that is actually a very intelligent post the more I read it. But I doubt "skippy" is your real name.

 

[StarChk20]

I still have yet to hear FF answer to why it is ok to compare scabjets 70 seat pay to AWACs 50 seat and be sooo proud that it is $1 better. (on paper a dollar better, but at the end of the day block or better prevails and AWAC 50 seaters make more than GJ 70 seaters!)???

 

[210FR8DOG]

I still have yet to hear FF answer to why it is ok to compare scabjets 70 seat pay to AWACs 50 seat and be sooo proud that it is $1 better. (on paper a dollar better, but at the end of the day block or better prevails and AWAC 50 seaters make more than GJ 70 seaters!)???

Spermflow???.............you there????

I think we should all get together and have a poker game and make sure spermflow is invited. Anyone else notice that he is fighting EVERYONE else on this board?

 

[Skippy]

FuelFlow, i dont know who you are, but if you're EO, we had lunch back in feburary with POrter-- you drove an old yellow SUV.
I dont have to use my real name, because im the One and only Skippy -- same as on the lounge--- and not to be cocky, but everyone knows who i am.
I appreciate the fact that you thought the post was intelligent, but i dont know if what you say happened- it being tried in the beginning- but im sure it can be tried now--- im sure life isnt all that great there right now, but why not get meetings together and see what can come of them? Personally, i know i can make things like that happen in just 2 phone calls-- really.

I have gotten past being pissed off and really would like an amicable fiinish to the insanity-- im sick of pilots getting in trouble for doing stupid schit, im sick of all the freakin rumors that I have to disprove, I'm sick of all the animosity and anger. Now dont get me wrong, im disappointed in the direction in which we're both headed and would like nothing more than to shove it up mgmt's A$$, becuase they would never see it playing out like that. Do you realize that since you guys arent union right know you can technically just stop working and basically strike-- the railway labor act doesnt apply to until you have an official union. You guys can get what you want and we can get what we want, and TSAH and ALPA national is stuck with their diks in their hand--

I dont know who runs things over there( who is the "dario/MEC equivalent?), but you can pm me on the lounge and maybe we can get something going or put me in touch we the head honcho.

Let me know,
SKIPPY

 

[Jason Kagan]

A quick reply to several posts -

JK - The TSA MEC has repeatedly misrepresented their legal position to their pilots, has no scope protection, and a contract extension which puts the threat of section 6 negotiations too late.

How have we "repeatedly misrepresented our legal position to our pilots"? The current scope language was negotiated by the previous MEC, and our contract extension is the sole reason we have 25+ jets flying for United Express.

I think we have done a pretty good job.

 

[210FR8DOG]

How have we "repeatedly misrepresented our legal position to our pilots"? The current scope language was negotiated by the previous MEC, and our contract extension is the sole reason we have 25+ jets flying for United Express.

I think we have done a pretty good job.

Agreed, thanks for all your hard work, Captain Kagan. Hope to see you back on line soon.