GJ Hiring Captains and fo's

[redbook]

I am watching all of this from a third party airline. From what I have gathered from working in the regional industry I think ************************* pilots steped on every other regional airline pilots head. A lot of people at GJ jumped the seniority list at TSA and now accept first year pay as a capt or fo at GJ, when eveyother airline has to pay higher rates for people with 4 and 5 years of senioity who waited there turn. So it seems to me when airline managment wants to drive down the pilot wage even more they can start up another company for everyone to come jump the seniority list and fly for 1st year pay rates. It really pisses me off, they won't be riding in my jumpseat. Best Regards. and good luck to those of you at GJ who have made enemies with many people in the industry!

Thank you for your support. You summed up our situation nicely, despite the attempts of others (g0jet) on this board to confuse the issue as to what exactly happened.

 

[QUAG]

I do think that the only way to over come whipsaw is work together. I and many others would consider your suggestion. It can be done with or without out one list. Long as the two sides work together.

However, sadly.... I, with 100% certainty, know that TSA MEC will never consider talking to the IBT on this issue.

What does the IBT have to do with this? Last I heard the IBT has not been certified at GJ. Many pilots at G0JETS are thinking of voting in ALPA just so they can protect themselves from management, at least this is what I hear from talking to many of them in STL. There are a few select management types who are trying to push the IBT, but most GJ pilots are getting beat up with 6 day trips and 9 days off a month, no block or better, flying out of ORD and IAD. They can see through the BS management is throwing at them. Yes I work at TSA, and yes I think the only way to solve this is to come together, even though I despise every single pilot on the G0JETS senority list. Honestly though, I think TSAH is screwing themselves by treating these traitors so bad. These poor guys are eventually realizing they are just pawns in the the game, and again, from what I've heard, most are trying to look for a solution to their horrible QOL.

 

[ERJFO]

There is not a single scab at G0Jet. I can't say the same for TSA or Pinnacle. Our pilots have been hired at several "legacy" carriers and cargo companies. Come to think of it, I don't think we have any Gulfstream Acadamy PFT guys like you working for us. I'll interview along with you anywhere and we'll see who gets hired.

EVERYONE THAT WORKS AT G0JET IS A SCAB YOU IGNORANT PRICK... YOU ARE TAKING THE JOB OF SOMEONE ELSE. And the "I'll interview along with you..." COMMENT IS THE SELF-PROFITING SCAB-LIKE BEHAVIOR THAT HAS ALLOWED YOUR COMPANY TO EXIST.

 

[ERJFO]

Don't get me wrong all these rates could be better. But GJ is no worse than CHQ, SKYWEST, or MESA. GJ's rates are the company's initial offer and have not even been negotiated yet. So GJ's rates will only improve.

70 SEAT RATES CAPT

CHQ GJ* SKY MESA


1YR $56 $56 $56 $55
2YR $58 $58 $58 $57
3YR $62 $60 $60 $58
4YR $64 $62 $61 $60
5YR $66 $64 $63 $62
6YR $68 $66 $65 $64
7YR $70 $68 $67 $66
8YR $72 $70 $69 $68
9YR $75 $72 $71 $70
10YR $77 $74 $74 $72
15YR $89 $84 $84 $83

*GJ Company offered non-negotiated Rates

Pay rates make up very little of the "cost" of a contract to a company. Work rules governing quality of life and utilization are what ends up making contracts expensive.

All the airlines you listed above are back-stabbers however.

 

[h25b]

A lot of people at GJ jumped the seniority list at TSA and now accept first year pay as a capt or fo at GJ, when eveyother airline has to pay higher rates for people with 4 and 5 years of senioity who waited there turn.

I know for a fact that some of the Captains that jumped over to GJ from other regionals were given DOH from their previous carrier. Thus making 5 year pay, NOT first year pay. So there are at least a few, likely more, that didn't exactly grab a seat for less money just to grab the seat.. Now if that pi$$es you off, fine. But to me it's like going to another company to do the same job for more money.

This is an interesting point that people like redbook and TSA145 like to omit to further demonize those crossing over to the "DarK Side..."

The last time I pointed this out no one had anything to say...

 

[Drill Sgt. Dad]

www.*************************pilots.com


Please, gang--no links to scab lists, nor the real thing. Mod reviewed.

 

[Drill Sgt. Dad]

since my previous post was edited, I guess everyone can figure it out

 

[h25b]

Not exactly, the GJ name gets automatically edited and you will likely automatically get banned for posting such a link on this board. It's a big no, no ...

 

[N1FuelFlow]

I know for a fact that some of the Captains that jumped over to GJ from other regionals were given DOH from their previous carrier. Thus making 5 year pay, NOT first year pay. So there are at least a few, likely more, that didn't exactly grab a seat for less money just to grab the seat.. Now if that pi$$es you off, fine. But to me it's like going to another company to do the same job for more money.

This is an interesting point that people like redbook and TSA145 like to omit to further demonize those crossing over to the "DarK Side..."

The last time I pointed this out no one had anything to say...

SOME is the key word here. How many airlines get to operate with almost ALL of their work force on 1st year pay. AND yes payroll is one of the largest expenses at an airline an other than fuel and probably maintainence of the aircraft. OK going to another company for more money and the same job? Everyone knows in the airline world its sad to say even though you have 10,000 hours and a type in the aircraft the airline operates they still start you at the bottom rate. SO i'm sorry H25b I still don't see your point other than you steped on all of your pilot brothers heads. Please try to convince me! If I can see your point on how what you and your fellow GJetters did I have no problem letting you guys in my Jump.( same goes for many other of my coworkers) but for now I feel bad for those TSA guys. Best Regards

 

[h25b]

SO i'm sorry H25b I still don't see your point other than you steped on all of your pilot brothers heads. Please try to convince me! If I can see your point on how what you and your fellow GJetters did I have no problem letting you guys in my Jump

You really don't read any posts before you respond to them do you ??? Don't work there....

 

[N1FuelFlow]

Do you see what i'm saying H25B all your doing is driving the regional industry down. My airline now has to cut costs to try to compete with another airline that has a work force on first year pay. Everyone knows Mesa has always set the standard for the bottom and now GJ makes Mesa look good. I have an open mind tell me different.

 

[ReportCanoa]

You really don't read any posts before you respond to them do you ??? Don't work there....

However you know someone who does?

 

[N1FuelFlow]

Don't get me wrong all these rates could be better. But GJ is no worse than CHQ, SKYWEST, or MESA. GJ's rates are the company's initial offer and have not even been negotiated yet. So GJ's rates will only improve.

70 SEAT RATES CAPT

CHQ GJ* SKY MESA


1YR $56 $56 $56 $55
2YR $58 $58 $58 $57
3YR $62 $60 $60 $58
4YR $64 $62 $61 $60
5YR $66 $64 $63 $62
6YR $68 $66 $65 $64
7YR $70 $68 $67 $66
8YR $72 $70 $69 $68
9YR $75 $72 $71 $70
10YR $77 $74 $74 $72
15YR $89 $84 $84 $83

*GJ Company offered non-negotiated Rates

Are those Mesa's 50 seat rates? I think SkyWest gets quaterly bonus checks that bumps up there pay quite a bit. And isn't CHQ in pay talks right now? So that leaves GJ bottom again.

 

[h25b]

Do you see what i'm saying H25B all your doing is driving the regional industry down. My airline now has to cut costs to try to compete with another airline that has a work force on first year pay. Everyone knows Mesa has always set the standard for the bottom and now GJ makes Mesa look good. I have an open mind tell me different.

GJ is not making Mesa look good because of their pay rates. Pay is about the same or maybe slightly higher. They are more competitive because the may have a slight advantage of more people on first year pay. But any new regional carrier would have that advantage.

There's more to the story other than just another regional carrier. The over expansion of 50 seat rj's, high fuel costs, and the post 9/11 airline economy have gotten you before GJ ever did... The benchmark of regional airline compensation, Comair, is in the process of giving it all back anyway. Heck, before the DAL bankruptcy they even voted concessions for jets. Bottom line, the explosive growth of regional jet expansion has dried up and left thousands of commuter pilots killing each other for the scraps of growth. Well, growth is a poor choice of words, I think it's more like a re-shuffling of flying already alloted. This was going to happen anyway.

But did the average GJ pilot create this or was it mismanagement of the airline industry, short sight mainline unions, & a general poor economic airline business environment. I think it's the latter...

Are those Mesa's 50 seat rates? I think SkyWest gets quaterly bonus checks that bumps up there pay quite a bit. And isn't CHQ in pay talks right now? So that leaves GJ bottom again.

YGTBSM !!!

Quarterly bonus checks come and go. No mortgage application I've seen counts that and whatever payrates CHQ manages to negotiate and start seeing in their paychecks 3-4 years from now doesn't figure in this arguement either...

 

[FlyHIToo]

Are those Mesa's 50 seat rates? .

No. They are CRJ700 rates.
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc/mesa-2005030574.htm

I think SkyWest gets quaterly bonus checks that bumps up there pay quite a bit. .

Thats no true at all. Ask a SkyWest guy about that.

And isn't CHQ in pay talks right now? So that leaves GJ bottom again.

No, sec 6 not till Oct 2007.

 

[Smarta$$]

I am watching all of this from a third party airline. From what I have gathered from working in the regional industry I think ************************* pilots steped on every other regional airline pilots head. A lot of people at GJ jumped the seniority list at TSA and now accept first year pay as a capt or fo at GJ, when eveyother airline has to pay higher rates for people with 4 and 5 years of senioity who waited there turn. So it seems to me when airline managment wants to drive down the pilot wage even more they can start up another company for everyone to come jump the seniority list and fly for 1st year pay rates. It really pisses me off, they won't be riding in my jumpseat. Best Regards. and good luck to those of you at GJ who have made enemies with many people in the industry!

TSA pilots should have had this growth. Gayjets pilots should have to wait there turn on a seniority list like every one else. Greedy pawns.

And so what if a few or some of the pilots were given DOH. Most did not and new pilots will not.

 

[h25b]

TSA pilots should have had this growth.

Says who ??? You ???

 

[Smarta$$]

Says who ??? You ???

I answered this yesterday. Every pilot at TSAHoldings before gayjets were hired.

Stop pretending to not work their. I am very unconvinced.

 

[N1FuelFlow]

Thats no true at all. Ask a SkyWest guy about that.



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Skywest Captains are saying that they are getting an extra 1,000 dollars a quater ever since the bonus program started. Even though its not a guaranteed thing money is money!. I still think GJ airlines is a bad deal. Comments FLYHI?? Regards

 

[MINIME]

HB25,

Why are you soooooo high on your horse to defend the actions that these guys, gals took by CHOOSING to go to an outfit that they knew was undercutting the industry? Common sense should tell you that it was self greed along with wanting to climb the ladder (on a shiny new jet) before and in front of everybody else. I'm all for improving one's situation but give me a break! Not at the cost of the TSA pilots and ultimately every pilot in this godforsaken industry. And don't give me this crap that the bowl was already broken. Yes, perhaps it was, but not to the extent that these humans have enabled it to be broken. Is it not plausible that NWA, DAL and CAL have studied this situation with GJ and others similar to it? I'm sure they have and are probably salivating at the idea that they too could accomplish something similar. Now, is that good for any pilot? Including yourself?

And last, do you work for GJs or are you corporate or are you looking to join
them? Cause I've been reading your posts for quite a while now and every arguement you make is and has been in favor of GJs. I don't care what screwups our unions and pilots have made in the past, that does not constitute selfish people climbing on the backs of others. Legal or not, that is exactly what these personalilities have done and most of them know it.