Get ready for Age 67+

[bluefin]

Parking all the 737s and furloughing 900 pilots probably has little to do with Age 65.

I posted years ago the numbers of retirements forecast at UAL before age 65. Those numbers would have negated all the furloughs even with parking of the 737. Therefore this age rule change, "#%&KED MY AND ANDY'S CAREER". Numbers don't lie.

 

[relief tube]

Gen,

Your almost correct, they are raking in way too much money for very little work.

Think about it..5 weeks of vacation, picking the best lines, and an occasional sick call, they are really working maybe three times a month and getting 300k. Would you leave?

you can't take that money to your grave.

So unless you want to heir it away and have spoiled kids who don't have to work for anything in life, instead retire and enjoy time at home, time traveling the world, time in an RV driving around the country, getting good at golf, fishing at your lake house.

Your job isn't your life. It's sad that no-one who said they'd retire at 62 ever did. It's a mixture of greed and not having a hobby.

 

[flyboyike]

ICAO is an organization that serves as a forum for their members to come in agreement of the use of international airspaces and the rules they will operate across borders that is all. If one of their member nations wants to set the retirement age at 50 or 80, it is up to that nation regulatory agency to dictate the rules they will operate under.

Which was my point.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Perhaps you haven't considered that airline flying IS someone's hobby. A hobby that pays $175K a year.

 

[flyboyike]

The problem with that is you run into a conundrum: Foreign airline Captains OVER age 65 will be allowed to exercise their licenses in US airspace. US Captains over 65 will be forbidden the same right/privilege by law.

Is that fair? You honestly mean to tell me you'd support that?

I can tell you what I won't support. Me stuck in the right seat for God only knows how many more years while Capt Fossil next to me keeps refusing to call it quits. That I will most definitely not support.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I can tell you what I won't support. Me stuck in the right seat for God only knows how many more years while Capt Fossil next to me keeps refusing to call it quits. That I will most definitely not support.

Ever consider that attitude makes people WANT to stay just to deny YOU the left seat?

 

[flyboyike]

Ever consider that attitude makes people WANT to stay just to deny YOU the left seat?

Yeah, I'm sure that's it. What attitude am I supposed to have? Am I supposed to be ecstatic about continuously being denied career progression?

 

[Bringupthebird]

I posted years ago the numbers of retirements forecast at UAL before age 65. Those numbers would have negated all the furloughs even with parking of the 737. Therefore this age rule change, "#%&KED MY AND ANDY'S CAREER". Numbers don't lie.

Was that before September 2008?

If you been offered the job at UAL after the age change, would you have turned it down?

Your misfortune is the result of being junior and that's been the way it's been forever. Everyone was junior once. I've hung onto my old furlough notice to remind me of that fact.

The age change has kept the pipeline from moving, but it's external forces (like poor decisions - TED, an economy that was scuttled to humble America, a leaderless industry, etc.) that caused it to stop in the first place.

 

[Bringupthebird]

I can tell you what I won't support. Me stuck in the right seat for God only knows how many more years while Capt Fossil next to me keeps refusing to call it quits. That I will most definitely not support.

So you are asking (demanding actually) someone to sacrifice something for you, and you call him Capt. Fossil. What's up with that? What are you willing to give up in return?

 

[Fubijaakr]

Yeah, I'm sure that's it. What attitude am I supposed to have? Am I supposed to be ecstatic about continuously being denied career progression?

That's the airline business. I hope you didn't ASSUME you'd be a Captain in a defined amount of time.

Mergers, fuel spikes, 9/11, etc., etc. all conspire to change "career expectations."

Sorry, that Age 65 porked you. It porked EVERYBODY. Get over it.

Ship happens. Perhaps you should just be happy you have a JOB at a major airline (if you do!). There are a boatload of guys who will never make it past the regionals.

 

[flyboyike]

So you are asking (demanding actually) someone to sacrifice something for you, and you call him Capt. Fossil. What's up with that? What are you willing to give up in return?

I don't know, what's Capt Fossil giving me in return for my sacrifice? I already got furloughed once because of this BS, will probably get furloughed again. What else am I supposed to give up?

 

[flyboyike]

Ship happens. Perhaps you should just be happy you have a JOB at a major airline (if you do!). There are a boatload of guys who will never make it past the regionals.

I don't. Age 65 is part of the reason why I don't. It's not the only reason, I'll grant you that, but it sure didn't help.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Well, then perhaps you'd better reevaluate your goals. Because there's a VERY good chance that you're a permaRegional pilot.

Face it, only 10% of applicants will be successful at the Major level, especially if you're not an ex-military aviator. Time to rethink.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Oh, and Capt. Fossil made the cut. You haven't yet. Chew on that for a bit.

 

[flyboyike]

Well, then perhaps you'd better reevaluate your goals. Because there's a VERY good chance that you're a permaRegional pilot.

Face it, only 10% of applicants will be successful at the Major level, especially if you're not an ex-military aviator. Time to rethink.

Fair enough, so what's your position then? What should be the age limit? 80? 95? None?