Gemini News

[monyetbesar]

We'll have to wait and see. I do hope they treated the negotiations as if there were a 70-80% vote against the last one. I personally asked the MEC to approach with this stance. I also believe all approval has been completed to come out of bankruptcy, even without the TA, either being accepted. So not too sure about the tag line,

"We are optimistic that with the
positive adjustments made, this RTA will be ratified
and we can all get on about the business of emerging
from Chapter 11 and making Gemini one of the true
success stories in our industry

Anyhow, do not want to say too much too soon. Hope it is not even close to the rubbish that we had seen last time.

 

[Freightflyer1]

Well Guys, the TA is on the ALPA website. More crap for us to eat. It's definitely going to leave a sour taste in my stomach. Makes me wonder what they're serving for dezert.

 

[porra]

I haven't seen it yet, but I'm sure its more of the same BS.

 

[GAC11Flyer]

Guys, It's the same B.S. with a different color FONT. I believe that it is time to recall the MEC and get rid of the present Neg. Committee. I can not accept a 3 percent raise after a 4 year pay freeze. By the way, we are out of B.K!

 

[canadflyau]

it was a raise from your previously frozen rates?

 

[canadflyau]

duplicate post

 

[porra]

its the same pay scale as the first TA for the FO's
decrease for capt from year 1 to year 4 and then a increase in year 13 and 14.
FE decrease in year 1 and increase in year 13 and 14.

Same BS as before, I agree we should change the neg com.

 

[RoundMotor]

Where did you see we were out of Bankrupcy?

 

[vindiesel]

I Do Not Ever Remember Hearing Anything From Our Mec About What Was To Be Re-negotiated. Pay Freeze Will Still Be In Effect For All 04/05 New Hires For Effectively 5 Years Based On Payscales. Expectations Are As Low As Morale And We Dont Have Anything To Show For Our Hard Work. Vote No Again......................

 

[fogrunner]

Here is a break down of the previous balloting on the failed TA. All that is required for the latest TA to pass is for the MEC to convince 27 crewmembers to change their vote from the last time.




Result: FAILED.
Majority Required: 50% plus 1
For Votes Required: 83
For Votes Cast: 56 34.36% of Total Valid Votes Cast
Against Votes Cast: 107 65.64% of Total Valid Votes Cast
Total Valid Votes Cast: 163 86.24% of Total of Eligible Voters
Total of Eligible Voters: 189

 

[FreightNazi]

Just an FYI and NOT flamebait. The president of UPS Airlines told a recent company workshop that he's very interested in Gemini's MD-11 fleet.

 

[JohnnyCash]

heard the same thing.

 

[jercdevil]

Just an FYI and NOT flamebait. The president of UPS Airlines told a recent company workshop that he's very interested in Gemini's MD-11 fleet.

Let them have them so we can all move on. This Sh*ts getting old. Like the other guy said, same TA with different color font. This MEC shoud be ashamed of them selfs for even bringing this back a second time. I heard about this 2nd TA form the DO's email WTF.

It's better to die on your feet,then live on your knees

 

[porra]

vote NO......

 

[30West]

Just an FYI and NOT flamebait. The president of UPS Airlines told a recent company workshop that he's very interested in Gemini's MD-11 fleet.

:bomb: :bomb: :bomb: :bomb: :bomb: :bomb: :bomb:

Booooooooring!

 

[dc10maniac]

I'm going to the ALPA site to vote against it ... we have to vote NO ... again. I don't understand why ALPA is willing to sign this contract when it is against the pilots interest.:uzi:

 

[monyetbesar]

A post above stated that we are out of BK. Could you please post your source?
The statement from the company regarding this current TA. "we can all get on about the business of emerging from Chapter 11"
if we vote for this TA. I would like to know if we are already out of BK. The statement that the 3% is all that is authorized by the judge is in question if we are voting on this TA while out of BK. If we are out of BK, the statement regarding "emerging from BK" and the statement from our ALPA people regarding "3%" max available.. is nonsense to sway the vote.

The key is, Are we out of BK prior to the vote closing?

 

[Freightflyer1]

It is my understanding that we have been authorized by the judge to exit BK. Voting down the last TA didn't stop it. I'll just vote no again. This new TA is just smoke and mirrors. Same crap, different day. Why is the MEC in such a hurry to ratify this garbage?

 

[dc10maniac]

I just voted NO.

 

[fogrunner]

Why is the MEC in such a hurry to ratify this garbage?

This I don't understand at all. We rejected the first TA and after approx 2.5 weeks of negotiations we have this new TA brought back to us. You never get what you want, you get what you negotiate.
We were told the first time around that there would be dire consequences if the agreement was not ratified, that, this is the best deal we could get. Well after a little more than two weeks of so called negotiations we have a marginally better deal. This reminds me of the old sales tactic, what a great deal I have for you but you have to buy it today. Frankly this new TA is really just window dressing. Nothing of real substance.
I remember Netjets rejecting their first TA and taking over a year to hammer out an improved agreement, where straight wing Citation Captains can make over 6 figures by year 5.
This is not rocket science. Many of us do not have Military pensions or Military reserve duty to supplement our income. This is our primary source of income. Over 35% of crew members have been hired since 04. If you look at the DC10 FO list #10 and below have been here less than 2 years. These people are the future of Gemini. We will probably have close to 40% of the crew force retiring in the next 5 years. And what happens, the FO pay scale has been decimated. Yes the new TA improved year 13 -14 yr Captain pay by reducing 3-4 yr Captain pay.
I am sad to say the Negotiators do not seem to have our best interests at heart.
WHAT IS THE BIG RUSH. I am willing to wait for something fair and balanced.