Gary Kelly's ATN Comments at Message To The Field

[ASADFW7]

There is an awareness that this event has an impact on both pilot groups. Each percentage seniority within each pilot group will have be impacted. There are some percentages of each list that will be greater impacted. Making blanket statements for both groups does not do the discussions about this event justice and are far too simplistic and can easily be dispelled by either side. However, the SLI discussions will actually be much more complex then simple emotional blanket statements made here.

There are many suggestions and opinions that are relative but may not want to be acknowledged by the other side because they are incomplete in the big picture. There are still aspects of each opinion that are important.

 

[On Your Six]

Really, did the US pilots show that they'd have better career earnings than the AWA pilots--especially the furloughed US Air pilots? The US pilots' main point was that they'd put more years into the airline/their careers. Career expectations was a big factor. US pilots on the street stayed on the street, pilots getting high paying positions kept their high paying positions.

The USAPA people don't agree with the binding arbitration agreement. You shouldn't use them as a reference, they aren't credible. That Nicalau award doesn't help your case either. I wasn't at Delta at the time, but the way it was handled here might be a model your group should want to follow, for harmony sake.

OYS

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty, I think you'd be surprised at how many SWA FOs are demanding a staple..

Well, I'm sure there are some AAI guys with equally unreasonable positions who will be also be disappointed.

 

[400ADude]

No, what will happen is that he will use the slots and gates of Guadalupe Holdings and slowly close the operation down. SWA pilots will never see a furlough, but Guadalupe Holding pilots will. in fact, every one of those pilots could eventually be furloughed permanently.

Take the staple.

Let's only hope.

 

[kwick]

Staple the Domestic Southwest pilot
Group below the Airtran pilots and
Get it over with. Take the staple!

 

[kwick]

Go to arbitration, get relative seniority
And move on.

We're tired off these ridiculous opinions.

 

[texman]

Go to arbitration, get relative seniority
And move on.

We're tired off these ridiculous opinions.

How about reverse the list make all the SWA and AT fo's, captains and vice versa.LOL

 

[V1 ROT8]

That is better than DOH and less than straight relative. That is my guess on where the arbitrators may rule.

You think AirTran pilots are going to get better than DOH (or even DOH) at Southwest? You are dreaming.

 

[PapaWoody]

Go to arbitration, get relative seniority
And move on.

We're tired off these ridiculous opinions.

ROFLMAO...spoken by the guy with the most ridiculous opinions on the AAI side. Too funny.

PW

 

[redflyer65]

Go to arbitration, get relative seniority
And move on.

We're tired off these ridiculous opinions.

Stay at Guadaloupe Holdings making Airtran wages while all growth goes to Southwest.

Herb and Gary won't kill this place, if you think otherwise your dreaming.

Hoping for a good integration that ALPA doesn't completely screw up. They have a horrible track record.

 

[Juniority]

It seems that most of the possibilities being voiced/argued here don't take the economy (U.S. and World) into consideration. Up at Gary's level you'd better bet there's a "plan A" a "plan B" and a "plan C" in place for this aquisition.

I'm sure one of those plans is to discard Airtran entirely if the economy dumps again before the deal is done.

 

[Kharma Police]

Stay at Guadaloupe Holdings making Airtran wages while all growth goes to Southwest.

Herb and Gary won't kill this place, if you think otherwise your dreaming.

Hoping for a good integration that ALPA doesn't completely screw up. They have a horrible track record.

Yes, ALPA truly F-uped the DAL/NWA merger................

If you were a CEO which side would you grow?, the one with the cheaper labor force which happens to be entrenched in your last frontier at the Worlds Busiest Airport or the more expensive one which is already maxed out with no growth in the CONUS? If your senior FOs want to upgrade anytime soon, I suggest you support a speedy SLI and stop hoping and praying for a whipsaw.

 

[RedDogC130]

If you were a CEO which side would you grow?, the one with the cheaper labor force which happens to be entrenched in your last frontier at the Worlds Busiest Airport or the more expensive one which is already maxed out with no growth in the CONUS?

Ok...no I won't bite....that was just stupid.

 

[Kharma Police]

Ok...no I won't bite....that was just stupid.

No, stupidity is wishing for a whipsaw.

There's none so blind as those who will not see.

 

[redflyer65]

There's none so blind as those who will not see.

You might want to look in the mirror then.

We already know that when the ink is dry that all AAI orders are coming to SW, so how realistic is your view of growing Airtran? I'm just sayin.

DAL/NW? Really? Not even close to what we are trying to do here. SW/AAI career expectations and QOL are night and day, there's really no debate. Delta and NW was pretty close to identical.

If anyone can screw this up it will be ALPA.