Gary Kelly's ATN Comments at Message To The Field

[roughneck]

Not bad for 9 years.

Wonder how many 11 year SWA FO's are gonna jerk gear for you.

Gup

I think the real question should be how many 11 year AirTran Captains will be jerking gear for former 11 year SWA F/O's.

 

[Kharma Police]

I think the real question should be how many 11 year AirTran Captains will be jerking gear for former 11 year SWA F/O's.

I think the answer to all of your questions will come from an arbitrator's decision, not from FI.

 

[On Your Six]

I think the real question should be how many 11 year AirTran Captains will be jerking gear for former 11 year SWA F/O's.

Probably none.


OYS

 

[carl p]

To all who say they don't want another East vs. West, what are you doing to keep it from happening? Everyone says that, and yet they continue to drop bombs irritating the other group. Two good groups of pilots acting like knuckleheads....

 

[Ty Webb]

Not bad for 9 years.

Gup

I'm a 10th year CA.

 

[flynvixen]

Either way, life is too short to spend any more time on you. Welcome to my "ignore list". :laugh:

Hey ty webb

you wont see this one because every time a SWA guys shoots your BS demands for our left seat down you get mad and hit ignore ??? come on, man up and stand your ground and back your position up.

The problem is you cant, you know what you citrus Vato's want is more than you are entitled to but the ALPA job killing machine has told you they can do it for you. So be sure and pack a bag because you guys are about to get a long vacation inside the wire, the fence, the RJ coral where Quadalupe holdings (or airline what ever you want to call it) will keep you parked until you come to your senses, or the ALPA job killing machine gives up and quits spending money on your fight for what is not yours or you guys decide to take the more than fair deal and money that SWAPA is offering you and come on over and get with the program.

Either way The winning team presses on and you guys will keep making RJ wages (pay for training kinda don't you think??) throwing fits demanding you get all you want and SWAPA must accept it and get nothing in return WTFO......Lay off the ALPA koolaid and come to your senses the money and the right seat awaits you.


Cheers Vato's

• Bob Dylan
• flynvixen
• orangebellyav8r

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[scoreboardII]

Every one that the arbitrator assigns under his integrated seniority number...

you mean TWISL, lets call it what it is, OK?

 

[ivauir]

My fear, from the day this was announced, was that this acquisition would ruin Southwest Airlines.

I really don't want to be right.

 

[funnyman12]

A little observation....it does seem to me the SW guys are a bit more militant on here. Ty wants to keep his seat....wouldn't you?

 

[dicko]

Not bad for 9 years.

Wonder how many 11 year SWA FO's are gonna jerk gear for you.

Gup

Hey Gup,

I thought the junior Captain at SWA had been with the company for 9.5 years ?

I'm not trying to be particular. Nor am I ignoring the vagaries of seniority, bases and the internet. If a pilot at SWA is a FO after 11 years wouldn't it be for QOL needs ?

Cheers

 

[dicko]

Cheers Vato's

• Bob Dylan
• flynvixen
• orangebellyav8r

So, you're saying that you put yourself on your own ignore list ?

Genius

 

[Lear70]

I think the guy is a jerk also but I think you owe him an apology for that statement. Now Lear70 will suspend me for calling his friend a jerk.:

1st, I don't moderate SWA/AAI threads.

2nd, yes it was an extremely obnoxious comment by OrangeBellyAv8tor, completely uncalled for, and it got him suspended.

3rd, no Cometman, despite your extremely aggressive and rude PM, it wasn't me. You can clearly see WHO deleted the posts (CLR4THEAPCH). I've been flying since 0625 this morning, 12 hour duty day, 7.5 hours of flying, just got to PHL a couple hours ago, haven't been on FI all day...

YOUR post was deleted because it QUOTED the offensive language in OrangeBellyAv8tor's post. That's it. We've clearly (and repeatedly) told people NOT to quote offensive language because we don't have the ability to EDIT posts, we can only delete the whole post or an entire thread. That means if YOU quote someone's offensive language in your reply, your reply gets deleted, too.

Hope that clears up any confusion you might have.

 

[redflyer65]

A little observation....it does seem to me the SW guys are a bit more militant on here. Ty wants to keep his seat....wouldn't you?

On face value, yes. Absolutely.
But we are not comparing two 'like' companies.

How about this..

If I were Ty and hypothetically put at the very top of the SW FO list to have..

1-higher pay
2-fly any schedule I wanted
3-better QOL
4-better medical
5-better retirement

I would sign up in a heartbeat. But it sounds like they want all of the above and to keep every CA seat. Sounds like a windfall.

And the arbitor will see it that way.

 

[dicko]

On face value, yes. Absolutely.
But we are not comparing two 'like' companies.

How about this..

If I were Ty and hypothetically put at the very top of the SW FO list to have..

I would sign up in a heartbeat.

You do understand that nobody believes that ..... ? Least of all yourself.

 

[CaptWidgeon]

A little observation....it does seem to me the SW guys are a bit more militant on here. Ty wants to keep his seat....wouldn't you?

not necessarily. i've got a buddy who's a tranny capt and lives in dallas. i'm a mid-level swa f/o. we both know how much each other makes, me more than him. he said he would be happy with a staple:
1. no more atl commute
2. more $$$
3. more flexibility
4. eventually he will be able to drive to work, right now, will never be an option
5. better sched (although with the combo of the two companies who knows what/how lines will be written)
6. NOT airtran mgmt
7. better overall qol

if i were at a company that had such strong support to strike i don't care what seat i'm in, with the list from above, left or right i'd take it.

 

[redflyer65]

You do understand that nobody believes that ..... ? Least of all yourself.

I have absolutely no ego to sit in the right seat and throw gear if I got all of the above. Are you kidding me?

Tell me then where I got it wrong.

 

[PapaWoody]

Hey Gup,

I thought the junior Captain at SWA had been with the company for 9.5 years ?

I'm not trying to be particular. Nor am I ignoring the vagaries of seniority, bases and the internet. If a pilot at SWA is a FO after 11 years wouldn't it be for QOL needs ?

Cheers

For the most part you are right, D, but there were a few Lance Captains that got stuck in the right seat when the music stopped a couple of years ago (age 60 combined with putting the skids on growth out of the blue). The junior CA is a '01 hire, but not sure what the most senior FO's hire date is.

Cheers,
PW

 

[dragontamer]

Fence the ops as long as it takes to come to a mutual (ie. both unions agreeing) agreement....Trannies can keep their seniority on their routes, with their pay & QOL. SWA pilots can keep their seniority, pay & QOL on their routes. Air Tran can keep their wonderful culture and SWA pilots can keep theirs. It's a win-win. I enjoy flying with guys who feel privileged and happy to have started as number LAST at a great company. I'll vote for the necessary SWAPA-SWA waivers.

 

[GuppyWN]

I'm a 10th year CA.

I know when you were hired.

The most junior SWA Captain was hired almost 4 YEARS before you got hired at your dream job.

Just sayin',
Gup

 

[GuppyWN]

Hey Gup,

I thought the junior Captain at SWA had been with the company for 9.5 years ?

I'm not trying to be particular. Nor am I ignoring the vagaries of seniority, bases and the internet. If a pilot at SWA is a FO after 11 years wouldn't it be for QOL needs ?

Cheers

Hi Dicko,

Almost. The most junior Captain is 34 days from starting his 11th year. By the time ALPA realizes that SWA doesn't control the Process Agreement he'll be in his 11th year. By the time there is a combined seniority list he could be in his 13th year.

Gup