G5 SIC slots

[Hawker dude]

Why would a 300 #PIC bid an FO slot. Even it is on the GV what an A-Hole.

I dont know which is worse between this and the old farts that won't go away.

 

[BentOver]

could be worse

 

[johnsonrod]

Why would a 300 #PIC bid an FO slot. Even it is on the GV what an A-Hole.

I dont know which is worse between this and the old farts that won't go away.

Nice type rating to have in the bank... Plus, maybe he thinks he won't reach the GV as PIC at this pace and he wants to see the world... You see it in the airline world when 737 Captains don't believe they will reach 777 Captain before retirement - why not spend some time as a senior FO and get that experience...

Speaking of NJA/NJI, how many legacy NJA guys have bid over to the Gulfstream on the former NJI side of the fence? How senior do you have to be to bid the lowest GIVSP FO slot?

 

[fischman]

Seniority rules.

 

[filejw]

At an airline this wouldn't be unusual at all. Most FO's I fly with on the 744 can hold 757/767 Capt. Like was said guy just wants some new scenery.

 

[CALRepublic]

Why would a 300 #PIC bid an FO slot. Even it is on the GV what an A-Hole.

I dont know which is worse between this and the old farts that won't go away.

the old farts that won't go away. That's MUCH, MUCH worse.... a few months ago i had recurrent with a 70 year old guy. This dying dinosaur has no live at home, so he hangs around and takes an opportunity away from a younger guy. Selfish A-HOLE...It pisses me off to no end

 

[G4dude]

Why would a 300 #PIC bid an FO slot. Even it is on the GV what an A-Hole.

I dont know which is worse between this and the old farts that won't go away.

That is kinda surprising. Either he has a job waiting in the wings or he just wants the cool trips, and the trips ARE really interesting. Another possible reason: he wants to fly with guys who don't spend time quoting the contract and slamming management, which several former NJA guys told me they are so happy about on the GV.

 

[johnsonrod]

Why would a 300 #PIC bid an FO slot. Even it is on the GV what an A-Hole.

I dont know which is worse between this and the old farts that won't go away.

Another idea: maybe the pilot wants to get some Gulfstream time before the Globals start to arrive in a few years... Get some G-Whiz time now before they depart the fleet...

 

[CFIIer]

Maybe the guy was finally starting to figure out that his ability to change his depends (let alone his ability to be in command of a jet) had long since escaped him.:0

 

[fob727]

the old farts that won't go away. That's MUCH, MUCH worse.... a few months ago i had recurrent with a 70 year old guy. This dying dinosaur has no live at home, so he hangs around and takes an opportunity away from a younger guy. Selfish A-HOLE...It pisses me off to no end

Typical entitlement attitude...give it to me, it's mine because I deserve it.

 

[OPECJet]

Typical entitlement attitude...give it to me, it's mine because I deserve it.

....or earned it. If you got with NJA in the last few years, you earned it. Nothing was given, plenty was taken.

 

[fob727]

OJ..I'm talking about the poster who believes the 70 y/o should leave to make an opportunity for a younger pilot. It's his job; he should be able to stay until he decides to leave or unable to pass muster. JMHO.

 

[cldsfr79]

Typical entitlement attitude...give it to me, it's mine because I deserve it.

This is so true....of the baby boomer generation. The quote should be "I'm staying, I deserve it, and I don't care about anyone else".

See, the baby boomers parent's retired, enjoyed their grandchildren, hobbies, and their sunset years.

The baby boomers on the other hand are not retiring. Across all industries they want to stay on the top of the world for ever. They feel like they deserve staying on top and are indulging in their greed. And honestly I think it's sad that many have worked hard in their lives and will not enjoy the rewards of their work because they will pass on, while still working. And the fact is, these group of individuals (talking about pilots) got to experience the greatest airline expansion in history during their career period. Even if they got furloughed 6 times in their career due to the turbulent post-regulation era, the airlines were expanding so fast, many rose up the ranks swiftly and sat in the right seat only a fraction of their career.

Fast forward to today. We have already witnesses the "lost decade" in which the airlines have done little hiring and many never recovered from 9/11. Many pilots are permanently locked in the right seat and the age 65 rule added to the problem. FO's are always first to get furloughed and when they do get another job, it's back to the bottom of a none-moving line. No expansion, no retirements, just stagnation, and no hope of having a great career. Today's Pilots (FOs) will spend far more of their career as FO than CA, a reverse from the previous generation.

So please excuse the ones that are called the "entitled ones" for looking over to a guy in their late 60s sitting to their left and ask if he is going to retire. Maybe the "entitled one" earned his upgrade by sitting a decade+ in the right seat and has a right to the captain seat. It's a bit agonizing for FOs to hear how "captain x" was a captain for 25+ years at airline "x" and then walked over to a fractional, was handed another captain slot as soon as they got hired, and wont retire until their pulse stops. I would say that the "entitled one" has had a rougher career and has earned their left seat!

 

[jonjuan]

the old farts that won't go away. That's MUCH, MUCH worse.... a few months ago i had recurrent with a 70 year old guy. This dying dinosaur has no live at home, so he hangs around and takes an opportunity away from a younger guy. Selfish A-HOLE...It pisses me off to no end

Gunfyter? :smash:

 

[jonjuan]

This is so true....of the baby boomer generation. The quote should be "I'm staying, I deserve it, and I don't care about anyone else".

See, the baby boomers parent's retired, enjoyed their grandchildren, hobbies, and their sunset years.

The baby boomers on the other hand are not retiring. Across all industries they want to stay on the top of the world for ever. They feel like they deserve staying on top and are indulging in their greed. And honestly I think it's sad that many have worked hard in their lives and will not enjoy the rewards of their work because they will pass on, while still working. And the fact is, these group of individuals (talking about pilots) got to experience the greatest airline expansion in history during their career period. Even if they got furloughed 6 times in their career due to the turbulent post-regulation era, the airlines were expanding so fast, many rose up the ranks swiftly and sat in the right seat only a fraction of their career.

Fast forward to today. We have already witnesses the "lost decade" in which the airlines have done little hiring and many never recovered from 9/11. Many pilots are permanently locked in the right seat and the age 65 rule added to the problem. FO's are always first to get furloughed and when they do get another job, it's back to the bottom of a none-moving line. No expansion, no retirements, just stagnation, and no hope of having a great career. Today's Pilots (FOs) will spend far more of their career as FO than CA, a reverse from the previous generation.

So please excuse the ones that are called the "entitled ones" for looking over to a guy in their late 60s sitting to their left and ask if he is going to retire. Maybe the "entitled one" earned his upgrade by sitting a decade+ in the right seat and has a right to the captain seat. It's a bit agonizing for FOs to hear how "captain x" was a captain for 25+ years at airline "x" and then walked over to a fractional, was handed another captain slot as soon as they got hired, and wont retire until their pulse stops. I would say that the "entitled one" has had a rougher career and has earned their left seat!

Isn't this where the bumper sticker "Sh1t happens" falls?