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[OPECJet]

Typical entitlement attitude...give it to me, it's mine because I deserve it.

....or earned it. If you got with NJA in the last few years, you earned it. Nothing was given, plenty was taken.

 

[fob727]

OJ..I'm talking about the poster who believes the 70 y/o should leave to make an opportunity for a younger pilot. It's his job; he should be able to stay until he decides to leave or unable to pass muster. JMHO.

 

[cldsfr79]

Typical entitlement attitude...give it to me, it's mine because I deserve it.

This is so true....of the baby boomer generation. The quote should be "I'm staying, I deserve it, and I don't care about anyone else".

See, the baby boomers parent's retired, enjoyed their grandchildren, hobbies, and their sunset years.

The baby boomers on the other hand are not retiring. Across all industries they want to stay on the top of the world for ever. They feel like they deserve staying on top and are indulging in their greed. And honestly I think it's sad that many have worked hard in their lives and will not enjoy the rewards of their work because they will pass on, while still working. And the fact is, these group of individuals (talking about pilots) got to experience the greatest airline expansion in history during their career period. Even if they got furloughed 6 times in their career due to the turbulent post-regulation era, the airlines were expanding so fast, many rose up the ranks swiftly and sat in the right seat only a fraction of their career.

Fast forward to today. We have already witnesses the "lost decade" in which the airlines have done little hiring and many never recovered from 9/11. Many pilots are permanently locked in the right seat and the age 65 rule added to the problem. FO's are always first to get furloughed and when they do get another job, it's back to the bottom of a none-moving line. No expansion, no retirements, just stagnation, and no hope of having a great career. Today's Pilots (FOs) will spend far more of their career as FO than CA, a reverse from the previous generation.

So please excuse the ones that are called the "entitled ones" for looking over to a guy in their late 60s sitting to their left and ask if he is going to retire. Maybe the "entitled one" earned his upgrade by sitting a decade+ in the right seat and has a right to the captain seat. It's a bit agonizing for FOs to hear how "captain x" was a captain for 25+ years at airline "x" and then walked over to a fractional, was handed another captain slot as soon as they got hired, and wont retire until their pulse stops. I would say that the "entitled one" has had a rougher career and has earned their left seat!

 

[jonjuan]

the old farts that won't go away. That's MUCH, MUCH worse.... a few months ago i had recurrent with a 70 year old guy. This dying dinosaur has no live at home, so he hangs around and takes an opportunity away from a younger guy. Selfish A-HOLE...It pisses me off to no end

Gunfyter? :smash:

 

[jonjuan]

This is so true....of the baby boomer generation. The quote should be "I'm staying, I deserve it, and I don't care about anyone else".

See, the baby boomers parent's retired, enjoyed their grandchildren, hobbies, and their sunset years.

The baby boomers on the other hand are not retiring. Across all industries they want to stay on the top of the world for ever. They feel like they deserve staying on top and are indulging in their greed. And honestly I think it's sad that many have worked hard in their lives and will not enjoy the rewards of their work because they will pass on, while still working. And the fact is, these group of individuals (talking about pilots) got to experience the greatest airline expansion in history during their career period. Even if they got furloughed 6 times in their career due to the turbulent post-regulation era, the airlines were expanding so fast, many rose up the ranks swiftly and sat in the right seat only a fraction of their career.

Fast forward to today. We have already witnesses the "lost decade" in which the airlines have done little hiring and many never recovered from 9/11. Many pilots are permanently locked in the right seat and the age 65 rule added to the problem. FO's are always first to get furloughed and when they do get another job, it's back to the bottom of a none-moving line. No expansion, no retirements, just stagnation, and no hope of having a great career. Today's Pilots (FOs) will spend far more of their career as FO than CA, a reverse from the previous generation.

So please excuse the ones that are called the "entitled ones" for looking over to a guy in their late 60s sitting to their left and ask if he is going to retire. Maybe the "entitled one" earned his upgrade by sitting a decade+ in the right seat and has a right to the captain seat. It's a bit agonizing for FOs to hear how "captain x" was a captain for 25+ years at airline "x" and then walked over to a fractional, was handed another captain slot as soon as they got hired, and wont retire until their pulse stops. I would say that the "entitled one" has had a rougher career and has earned their left seat!

Isn't this where the bumper sticker "Sh1t happens" falls?

 

[DieselDragRacer]

This is so true....of the baby boomer generation. The quote should be "I'm staying, I deserve it, and I don't care about anyone else".

See, the baby boomers parent's retired, enjoyed their grandchildren, hobbies, and their sunset years.

The baby boomers on the other hand are not retiring. Across all industries they want to stay on the top of the world for ever. They feel like they deserve staying on top and are indulging in their greed. And honestly I think it's sad that many have worked hard in their lives and will not enjoy the rewards of their work because they will pass on, while still working. And the fact is, these group of individuals (talking about pilots) got to experience the greatest airline expansion in history during their career period. Even if they got furloughed 6 times in their career due to the turbulent post-regulation era, the airlines were expanding so fast, many rose up the ranks swiftly and sat in the right seat only a fraction of their career.

Fast forward to today. We have already witnesses the "lost decade" in which the airlines have done little hiring and many never recovered from 9/11. Many pilots are permanently locked in the right seat and the age 65 rule added to the problem. FO's are always first to get furloughed and when they do get another job, it's back to the bottom of a none-moving line. No expansion, no retirements, just stagnation, and no hope of having a great career. Today's Pilots (FOs) will spend far more of their career as FO than CA, a reverse from the previous generation.

So please excuse the ones that are called the "entitled ones" for looking over to a guy in their late 60s sitting to their left and ask if he is going to retire. Maybe the "entitled one" earned his upgrade by sitting a decade+ in the right seat and has a right to the captain seat. It's a bit agonizing for FOs to hear how "captain x" was a captain for 25+ years at airline "x" and then walked over to a fractional, was handed another captain slot as soon as they got hired, and wont retire until their pulse stops. I would say that the "entitled one" has had a rougher career and has earned their left seat!

Yes the baby boomers aren't retiring and many will never retire, but it's not necessarily because they're greedy. Unlike the baby boomers parents, who lived in the same craftsman home for 50 years and retired off of a pension, millions of baby boomers chose to keep buying/mortgaging bigger homes, bigger boats and better cars every time they got an extra $100/week raise all while not putting any/enough money away for retirement.

The current generation of retired baby boomers has record credit card debt, a mortgage and even back in '06 they said the average baby boomer only had an avg of $60K in retirement savings.

Unlike their parents, keeping up with the Jones has come full circle to bite the boomers in the arse.

 

[jonjuan]

Yes the baby boomers aren't retiring and many will never retire, but it's not necessarily because they're greedy. Unlike the baby boomers parents, who lived in the same craftsman home for 50 years and retired off of a pension, millions of baby boomers chose to keep buying/mortgaging bigger homes, bigger boats and better cars every time they got an extra $100/week raise all while not putting any/enough money away for retirement.

The current generation of retired baby boomers has record credit card debt, a mortgage and even back in '06 they said the average baby boomer only had an avg of $60K in retirement savings.

Unlike their parents, keeping up with the Jones has come full circle to bite the boomers in the arse.

The ironic thing is that if you were in their shoes....you would be in their shoes.

 

[rajflyboy]

OJ..I'm talking about the poster who believes the 70 y/o should leave to make an opportunity for a younger pilot. It's his job; he should be able to stay until he decides to leave or unable to pass muster. JMHO.

Ok

I will be your huckleberry

Why do you need to keep flying at 70 years old?

Why not give something back to the younger guys for the great career that you had?

 

[doylehargraves]

If you are over 65'ish, maybe 68, you need to seriously get the F..K out. I don't care if your pension was lost and I don't care that your 401k has shrunk to nothing. That is poor financial planning on your part, your fault, not ours.

I have not flown with a guy over 65 yet that did not have some kind of problem with something, whether it be, not being able to lift luggage, shut the door, forget the after takeoff items, "I can't see the runway", miss a taxi turn, and so on.... It's a fact, your decision making abilities significantly deteriorate at those age ranges, accept it, know it, and get out.

 

[cldsfr79]

Seniority rules.

Seniority, although it seems fair by allowing the person who has been working the longest awarded the opportunities, it is an out dated system that promotes the wrong people.

Can you imagine if the military, corporations, police, government, etc get promoted based on an individual being next in line. Our country would be even more dysfunctional than it is now. Talent that should be in charge would be buried deep in a list and the people awarded power may be unable to lead.

With this concept, look back at aviation. Most guys do a great job, but their are many out there that shouldn't be captains and are put into positions that their seniority awards them. In my opinion, pilots should be promoted based on their training scores, manner, and ability. Letter of recommendations from fellow pilots and evaluations by instructors should determine promotions. Kind of like how executives interview low level employees to promote them.

It's no secret among NJ pilots that their are a lot of tools in the tool shed among the pilot group. Prior to 2000 when airlines were still hiring and while NJ was growing like gang-busters they hired any stray cat that came into the door. If you had a pulse and a pilot certificate, you had a job. Recruiters would walk into FBOs and ask guys if they want to work at NJ, and they would also find out where pilots were getting furloughed or walking pick-it lines and just offer them jobs. I remember in recurrent once, the company provided a personality/leadership test. Only 10% out of 40 scored in the teamwork/leadership role. And 70% fell into a delegate/laissez-faire role (which was noted in the printed results that these individuals show weakness in authority and may show complacency in operation). Now these guys the, the most senior in the company have free reign in the company; they can do what they want and hold what they want. Not all are bad apples, but a huge chunk are. If having to actually re-interview for their job or pass evaluations to hold their captain position, there is a great possibility they would fail.