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G4dude wants to scab thread.

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Diesel

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I thought since we have 3 threads about g4dude not understanding union negotiations and how it all works we could merge it all into "let's help g4dude understand contact negotiations and why scabing is wrong."

G4dude thinks it's wrong that if he crosses a union picket line as a scab that he should be then treated different from all the pilots that walked the line. What he doesn't understand is that crossing the line is the act of him stepping on the necks of his brother and sisters.

So let's all help educate and answer g4dude's union questions to make him a better union member. Hopefully this thread will keep him from being a scab and throwing his career away.
 
Jack London's description of a scab.

?After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, the vampire, He had some awful substance left with which He made a scab.

A scab is a two-legged animal with a cork-screw soul, a water-logged brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles.

When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the Devil shuts the gates of Hell to keep him out.

No man has a right to scab so long as there is a pool of water to drown his carcass in, or a rope long enough to hang his body with. Judas Iscariot was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his master, he had character enough to hang himself. A scab has not.

Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage. Judas Iscariot sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver. Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British Army. The modern strikebreaker sells his birthright, his country, his wife, his children and his fellow men for an unfulfilled promise from his employer, trust or corporation.

Esau was a traitor to himself: Judas Iscariot was a traitor to his God; Benedict Arnold was a traitor to his country; a strikebreaker is a traitor to his God, his country, his wife, his family and his class.?
 
I'm beginning to think he's some management tool, that just wishes to stir the pot. No one in this industry can claim to be as ignorant as he seems to be about the choice, which he claims to want to do, of being a scab.

He claims he shall remain friends with those that choose not to scab, he mentions gutshaw continuing to be his friend. I suggest if gutshaw is actually his friend, he should vehemently tell him to shut the hell up. Because I know for a fact, first hand, of relationships completely destroyed due to a scab being just that, a scab.

I wish my fathers generation could still fly the line, they fought hard, and now scab want to bees are publicly claiming it's their right destroy what THEY built? It's clearly true, my fathers generation was ten thousand times ours, and indeed the greatest generation.
 
G4 is not a management pilot or management plant. Just a pilot who likes to stir the pot a bit and, for some inexplicable reason, enjoys being able to spool up other posters on this board.

Nevertheless, when it comes to our current contract negotiations, I find his positions to be naive, misguided, and self-destructive. I've done my best to educate, persuade, and "suggest" that he re-evaluate his mindset. And I hope, if and when the time comes, he'll make the right choice.

G4, sorry to say, BUT, if you choose poorly:

http://youtu.be/P5y6C-v5-j0


Choose wisely.
 
I don't believe he is naive or that anti union. I believe he is terrified of stiring the pot and totally unwilling to make a stand, while enjoying the benefits of a hard fought victory. I just hope he's like that guy in Saving Private Ryan, who was so terrified he let the bad guy pass. He finally grew some stones, albeit a little late. Hopefully G will see the light sooner.
 
Gutshot, thanks for posting. That he fails to even accept advice from his declared friend says it all. Unfortunately his "G4" continual defense of the defenseless act, bodes poorly for the "image" of Netjets pilots. This is where I and most others feel he's already crossed the line. He tarnishes us all.

At this point I'm hoping that everyone from now on, simply responds to his posts, like "crickets". Generally that's the only way to "honorably" respond to a scab, or scab sympathizer, render him inconsequential by not recognizing their existence.
 
Actually, in several ways you all have informed me about the good things ASAP has done. For which I am grateful. However, if you think I am the only free marketeer at NJA, guess again. Diesel would be a pariah in the Five. Just remember, I have not decided to cross. Only 2 things bother me about this.
1) the "embarrass Warren" campaign which I worry will backfire.
2) that you see nothing wrong with mistreating a sincere pilot, who doesn't agree with a strike, for the rest of his career.
Why in the world do these opinions inspire such anger and vitriol? The completion of my Union education is that seemingly decent people see nothing wrong with hooliganism is a revelation to me. I thought such detestable actions were only practiced by the extremists. I was wrong, apparently.
 
G4 is not a management pilot or management plant. Just a pilot who likes to stir the pot a bit and, for some inexplicable reason, enjoys being able to spool up other posters on this board.

Nevertheless, when it comes to our current contract negotiations, I find his positions to be naive, misguided, and self-destructive. I've done my best to educate, persuade, and "suggest" that he re-evaluate his mindset. And I hope, if and when the time comes, he'll make the right choice.

G4, sorry to say, BUT, if you choose poorly:

http://youtu.be/P5y6C-v5-j0


Choose wisely.

I'm still pondering.
 
2) that you see nothing wrong with mistreating a sincere pilot, who doesn't agree with a strike, for the rest of his career.
Why in the world do these opinions inspire such anger and vitriol? The completion of my Union education is that seemingly decent people see nothing wrong with hooliganism is a revelation to me. I thought such detestable actions were only practiced by the extremists. I was wrong, apparently.

Honetly, who is the hooligan? The person who watches his fellow pilots trying to improve things for everyone, including himself, by making the ultimate sacrifice (believe me, a strike is a HUGE sacrifice by the pilots, unless you think most of us really don't need a paycheck), but actively works against them by crossing the picket line, or those pilots who shun the scabs for working against them? Personally, I'd call the scab the hooligan.

Look, imagine I'm digging a hole. It needs to be 40x40x20 (a swimming pool maybe?) A pretty big task for one guy with a shovel. Luckily, most of my other friends with shovels agree to pitch in and help, greatly reducing the time needed to complete the task, allowing all of us to more quickly reap the benefits of the new pool, for ourselves and our families. Now imagine there are a few guys out there who don't see a need for the pool. A couple just shake their heads and walk away. But a few pick up shovels and begin throwing dirt back in the hole the rest of us are trying to dig out. Hey, maybe it's just 3 guys doing this, and ultimately they can't stop the inevitability of the efforts of, say, 40 guys digging out the hole. Still, those 40 guys are working, sacrificing, trying to create something good for everyone. Do you think those 40 guys in the hole are going to be particularly pleasant to the three guys who were actively working against them while they were breaking their backs? Would you? Especially considering those 3 guys will still get to enjoy the benefits of the pool when it's finished?

So maybe we go on strike (but I hope it doesn't happen). Perhaps you don't agree with it. No trouble there. You now have a choice. You can simply walk away and let everyone else do the hard work (like the guys who walked away from the pool project) but NOT cross the picket line. Yes, that means you're on strike, but not actively supporting it. Or, you cross the picket line (the guys who are actually throwing dirt back into the whole everyone else is digging out). Even if it's just by a few days, you are increasing the duration of the strike, keeping thousands out of a paycheck for the extra time, and basically sh*****g on the hard work and sacrifice of all those people, and in the end reaping the benefits of that hard work.

And you really don't understand why scabs are shunned and generally made miserable?

Look, I get it. You didnt ask to be in the union. You didn't sign up. You never wanted to. Understood.

The thing is, you ARE in the union. Sometimes life doesn't go down the path you wanted or expected. Sorry about that. So here you are. Part of the union. A union that only wants to protect and enhance what you have. You have far more to lose by crossing a picket line than not. Think about. If it comes to a strike, well, it happens no matter what you do. You could decide to not cross the picket line (even if you refuse to walk it with everyone else) and reap the rewards along with everyone else and maintain your standing amongst your peers, or you can cross the picket line, thereby becoming a scab, reaping those same rewards but becoming shunned scum in the eyes of your peers.

I know you're against a strike. Truthfully, it's not the best thing to happen. It'd be better if it could be worked out another way. But sometimes the reality is it just HAS to happen that way, no matter how we'd prefer it go. And if it's going to happen anyway, why would you choose the path of being a scab? I just don't get that. Not being a scab yields so much better results.
 
Can't believe you morons are still acknowledging this DB.
 
Can't believe you morons are still acknowledging this DB.


Because he's an actual line pilot that thinks that demand for more pilots will fix the contract.
 
Any friends of mine who mistreats me if I cross are friends I never needed, and shame on them. I will find out who my true friends are, I guess, and am fine with that. I would never mistreat anyone who strikes, even though I would strongly oppose them doing so, for jeapardizing my employer's survival and imperilling my job.. Funny how you hooligans don't even see the irony.


More great quotes from g4dude.
 
Does he enjoy the protection and provisions of the CBA?
Will he be advantaged by any gains made as a result of a new CBA?
Can he fly the entire schedule single handedly?

The pragmatist will arrive at the conclusion that the scab is then using others sacrifice to unjustly enrich himself - whilst not appreciably impacting the outcome of the strike (at least based on what little I know about NJA). Or worse yet, if scabs break a strike, what will be left? I guarantee the pay structure and work rules won't remain in tact. Do you really want to say, "Yeah, I really helped Uncle Warren screw the pilots and lower the bar?" Is it really worth a couple weeks quid?

So, unless he's thick, he should just do the right thing and toe the line.

Whether, our "free marketeer" as he has branded himself would shun a scab or not is irrelevant - he would quickly become persona non grata. Once the strike is amicably resolved, as they often quickly are, he then becomes a stain on the carpet. Even management becomes annoyed by scabs, they're an additional complication to operations - with the inevitable whining about "they're not nice to me" and other crew conflicts.
 

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