G0Jet Jumpseaters?

[WSurf]

So basically what you are saying is that everyone should bump black comair pilots?

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[panamclipper]

Hate to break it to you, Duh-angelo, but if I deny someone a jumpseat then I'll dang sure be checking the back of the plane before letting the FA close up to make sure he isn't still on the plane. No matter what, SCABs and HoJet/Freedumb pseudo-scabs don't ride on my airplane. I don't care if they go back and pay full fare.

Lets see don't your work for Pinnacle?

Aren't you the ones that did Northwest bidding and flew right behind ATA at IND with $29 fares.

If you are so pro-union and willing to fight why did you not stand up and say this is wrong.. or were you worried about your personal job...and your personal future...

Why did you go after a company that was weakened by the fuel prices to try and kill them off?

Why did you not stand up for your union brothers and stop them from doing that?

What did it gain them (NWA) nothing but bankruptcy.

They did the same thing in Milwaukee trying to kill off Midwest.

Nice predatory practices their at NWA...

I think that would have been more meaningful then your own personal jumpseat war you seem to be waging pretty much by yourself.

And oh by the way "MR. UNION GUY" ALPA's stated policy is to not use the JUMPSEAT AS A POLITICAL TOOL!

 

[PCL_128]

If you can't see the difference between normal competitive business practice and alter-ego carriers, then you're pretty much clueless. Two completely different companies competing against each other is fair business. One company creating an alter-ego subsidiary in order to bust a union at the same holding company is quite different.

 

[BE90flyer]

Hate to break it to you, Duh-angelo, but if I deny someone a jumpseat then I'll dang sure be checking the back of the plane before letting the FA close up to make sure he isn't still on the plane. No matter what, SCABs and HoJet/Freedumb pseudo-scabs don't ride on my airplane. I don't care if they go back and pay full fare.

I would add Pay for training fools to the list of people that wont fly on my airlplane. PCL_fool took real paying jobs away from real people back in his pay for training days. What makes you any different then a goojet pilot? I'll answer that for you....NOTHING.

 

[stage]

So basically what you are saying is that everyone should bump black comair pilots?

Wow....I wonder if someone would get fired for denying a jumpseat based on race?

Not to worry if you happen to do something this stupid....you could always get a job at go-jets!

 

[D'Angelo]

Actually, if you carry id-90's, you are the one who has the anger issues. I just show up and smile. I have never had a problem. You, on the other hand, are spoiling for a fight so badly that you carry "ammunition" for the war. How angry is that. Get some counseling son.

Actually I have them as a back up. I always show up with a good hat in hand attitude and never been denied once. I do know however there are some real knuckleheads out there. Therefore if its my only option I whip out the ID-90 and get where I need to go. I only carry one in my bag and ive never had to use it yet. The union is the real angry bunch. Just look at this thread. They are so angry they have to deny jumpseats to make themselves feel better.

 

[Shrek]

DuhAnjello is a Knucklehead for sure....

 

[FoxyWhiskey]

Wow....I wonder if someone would get fired for denying a jumpseat based on race?

Not to worry if you happen to do something this stupid....you could always get a job at go-jets!

Actually, it's about being self-righteous with a bad attitude and STILL EXPECTING to ride. "Coming up with a hat in hand attitude..." Yeah, whatever. Fake, fake, fake.

-FW

 

[D'Angelo]

Actually, it's about being self-righteous with a bad attitude and STILL EXPECTING to ride. "Coming up with a hat in hand attitude..." Yeah, whatever. Fake, fake, fake.

-FW

Its true. im always nice when I ask for the JS. Im just talking about alternative for those who run into pricks is all. I dont jumpseat often however never been denied. No reason for anyone to deny comair. Im just saying for the Go Jet guys they do have alternative and have ways of over-riding the captain.

 

[AeroDork]

I would add Pay for training fools to the list of people that wont fly on my airlplane. PCL_fool took real paying jobs away from real people back in his pay for training days. What makes you any different then a goojet pilot? I'll answer that for you....NOTHING.

Well now that PFT_128 is a captain because he leapfrogged his peers by writing a $28000 check to an Eastern scab for a seat that should be a paid seat he now realizes the err of his ways and thinks he should be forgiven for it and he's a die hard union volunteer to atone for his sins.

PFT_128 lecturing anybody about ethics is as ironic as listening to Geraldo tell somebody he's a serious journalist. At least g()jets pilots get paid. That's more than PFT_128 can say when he was a required crewmember on a B1900.

 

[arthompson]

I hate to tell you guys this but I know PCL quite well. He's a good pilot that deserves his seat. He waited to upgrade while people junior to him were upgrading and the company was hiring Captains off the street.

 

[D'Angelo]

I hate to tell you guys this but I know PCL quite well. He's a good pilot that deserves his seat. He waited to upgrade while people junior to him were upgrading and the company was hiring Captains off the street.

Basically hes a two faced prick, he has the nerve to deny jumpseats yet hes a former gulfstreamer. Pretty low if you ask me. He cant take the heat yet he can dish it. What a coward.

 

[arthompson]

Unlike you who are just a Prick

 

[FoxyWhiskey]

D'Angelo, you are such a troll. Please go away, you are neither interesting nor entertaining, just a blemish on the profession and the board. Your posts in every thread are such B.S.
Seriously, you have issues, little man.
Bye, bye!

-FW

 

[D'Angelo]

no flamebait, no trolling just straight up truth. The problem is like a few good men, YOU ALL CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH

 

[PCL_128]

Basically hes a two faced prick, he has the nerve to deny jumpseats yet hes a former gulfstreamer. Pretty low if you ask me. He cant take the heat yet he can dish it. What a coward.

Duh-angelo, just knowing that a foolish twit such as yourself doesn't like me is enough to keep me happy.

As for not being able to "take the heat," that remains to be seen. After more than 5 years of 121 flying and commuting, I have yet to have a single person comment to my face about the GIA thing. It seems to me that the people that lack a spine are the rabid anti-PFT morons on this board that just talk behind our backs but lack the intestinal fortitude to say anything to our faces. They are the true cowards.

P.S. Arthompson, thanks for the kind words.

 

[D'Angelo]

Duh-angelo, just knowing that a foolish twit such as yourself doesn't like me is enough to keep me happy.

As for not being able to "take the heat," that remains to be seen. After more than 5 years of 121 flying and commuting, I have yet to have a single person comment to my face about the GIA thing. It seems to me that the people that lack a spine are the rabid anti-PFT morons on this board that just talk behind our backs but lack the intestinal fortitude to say anything to our faces. They are the true cowards.

P.S. Arthompson, thanks for the kind words.

Dont worry if I ever ride your jumpseat and you reveal yourself ill be sure to let you know what a coward you really are. Then when you try and kick me off ill use my ID-90 and laugh at you as I deplane.

 

[arthompson]

ok I think you fail to understand how non reving works. I spent many years as a CS Agent and CS Supervisor so I will explain. If the Captain does not want you on board the aircraft, you will not get on. Thats it, and there nothing you can do about it.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

In the end he got on, and I spent awhile explaining to the cappy what the deal was all about on the flight home.

It may not be your jumpseat as an FO, but I'd like to see the Captain push off the gate with you on the jetbridge.

 

[arthompson]

Oh yeah thats just so smart, hate a jumpseater so much that you'll risk your job.

 

[D'Angelo]

Oh yeah thats just so smart, hate a jumpseater so much that you'll risk your job.

Now your getting it, captains should be fired for unethically denying the jumpseat. The FAA has let the captains ego run wild really. I can see giving full authority over the COCKPIT jumpseat. The cabin jumpseat however is in reality just another non rev seat. The captain shouldnt have authority over that. The gate agent should just be allowed to do their job and assign a seat in the cabin. That way the cabin jumpseater doesnt have to even bother the captain and put anyone at risk :beer:

 

[great cornholio]

Dont worry if I ever ride your jumpseat and you reveal yourself ill be sure to let you know what a coward you really are. Then when you try and kick me off ill use my ID-90 and laugh at you as I deplane.

Or the Capt could just have you removed for being unruley. As a Capt I can kick anyone off the plane that I want to. You paid 1 million bucks for the ticket and you do stuff on my plane I dont like youre gone. You try to jumpseat I say no then you get ID 90 and try to get on I kick you off. Its just paperwork no biggie. On an ID 90 you are still non rev so I dont even have to fill out any paper work when I kick you off.

 

[D'Angelo]

Or the Capt could just have you removed for being unruley. As a Capt I can kick anyone off the plane that I want to. You paid 1 million bucks for the ticket and you do stuff on my plane I dont like youre gone. You try to jumpseat I say no then you get ID 90 and try to get on I kick you off. Its just paperwork no biggie. On an ID 90 you are still non rev so I dont even have to fill out any paper work when I kick you off.

The beautiful thing though is most captains dont notice when a jumpseater comes back on with an ID-90. It happens more often than you think and its a beautiful thing

 

[Stifler's Mom]

The beautiful thing though is most captains dont notice when a jumpseater comes back on with an ID-90. It happens more often than you think and its a beautiful thing

Agreed...making you pay for your ride IS a beautiful thing.

 

[FoxyWhiskey]

Duct taping D'Angelo's mouth full of his ID-90's and throwing him in with the cargo to Afghanistan would be a "beautiful thing" as well.....

-FW

 

[D'Angelo]

Duct taping D'Angelo's mouth full of his ID-90's and throwing him in with the cargo to Afghanistan would be a "beautiful thing" as well.....

-FW

I know it angers you but the bottom line is the captain has no say over non revs. Unless he wants to demand the ID of every passenger who boards he has no say. Sorry captains are no longer GODs. Pretty soon when they have no say over the cabin jumpseat, because their ego got the best of them, they will have high blood pressure but will adapt.

 

[Reebo]

The union is the real angry bunch.

Ever think for a second that if it wasn't for the union you wouldn't even have the ability to jumpseat. Ask your mainline bretheren how reciprical jumpseating came about.

 

[Reebo]

I know it angers you but the bottom line is the captain has no say over non revs. Unless he wants to demand the ID of every passenger who boards he has no say. Sorry captains are no longer GODs. Pretty soon when they have no say over the cabin jumpseat, because their ego got the best of them, they will have high blood pressure but will adapt.

121.547 Admission to flight deck.
(a) No person may admit any person to the flight deck of an aircraft unless the person being admitted is—
(1) A crewmember;
(2) An FAA air carrier inspector, a DOD commercial air carrier evaluator, or an authorized representative of the National Transportation Safety Board, who is performing official duties;
(3) Any person who—
(i) Has permission of the pilot in command, an appropriate management official of the part 119 certificate holder, and the Administrator; and
(ii) Is an employee of—
(A) The United States, or
(B) A part 119 certificate holder and whose duties are such that admission to the flightdeck is necessary or advantageous for safe operation; or
(C) An aeronautical enterprise certificated by the Administrator and whose duties are such that admission to the flightdeck is necessary or advantageous for safe operation.
(4) Any person who has the permission of the pilot in command, an appropriate management official of the part 119 certificate holder and the Administrator. Paragraph (a)(2) of this section does not limit the emergency authority of the pilot in command to exclude any person from the flightdeck in the interests of safety.
(b) For the purposes of paragraph (a)(3) of this section, employees of the United States who deal responsibly with matters relating to safety and employees of the certificate holder whose efficiency would be increased by familiarity with flight conditions, may be admitted by the certificate holder. However, the certificate holder may not admit employees of traffic, sales, or other departments that are not directly related to flight operations, unless they are eligible under paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
(c) No person may admit any person to the flight deck unless there is a seat available for his use in the passenger compartment, except—
(1) An FAA air carrier inspector, a DOD commercial air carrier evaluator, or authorized representative of the Administrator or National Transportation Safety Board who is checking or observing flight operations;
(2) An air traffic controller who is authorized by the Administrator to observe ATC procedures;
(3) A certificated airman employed by the certificate holder whose duties require an airman certificate;
(4) A certificated airman employed by another part 119 certificate holder whose duties with that part 119 certificate holder require an airman certificate and who is authorized by the part 119 certificate holder operating the aircraft to make specific trips over a route;
(5) An employee of the part 119 certificate holder operating the aircraft whose duty is directly related to the conduct or planning of flight operations or the in-flight monitoring of aircraft equipment or operating procedures, if his presence on the flightdeck is necessary to perform his duties and he has been authorized in writing by a responsible supervisor, listed in the Operations Manual as having that authority; and
(6) A technical representative of the manufacturer of the aircraft or its components whose duties are directly related to the in-flight monitoring of aircraft equipment or operating procedures, if his presence on the flightdeck is necessary to perform his duties and he has been authorized in writing by the Administrator and by a responsible supervisor of the operations department of the part 119 certificate holder, listed in the Operations Manual as having that authority.
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[CaptainMark]

he won't even respond to the questions i posed him on the anger thread...

 

[Reebo]

I know it angers you but the bottom line is the captain has no say over non revs. Unless he wants to demand the ID of every passenger who boards he has no say. Sorry captains are no longer GODs. Pretty soon when they have no say over the cabin jumpseat, because their ego got the best of them, they will have high blood pressure but will adapt.

91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.
(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.
(b) In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the pilot in command may deviate from any rule of this part to the extent required to meet that emergency.
(c) Each pilot in command who deviates from a rule under paragraph (b) of this section shall, upon the request of the Administrator, send a written report of that deviation to the Administrator.