G0Jet Jumpseaters?

[rtmcfi]

I was with you until that part in bold. You would compromise your morals and step on the necks of another pilot group to feed your family, if that was your only choice in this industry? Interesting...

If it's wrong, it's wrong all the time. I guess you are saying that you would be no better than the "go-jets scumbags" if a little pressure was applied (i.e. you lost your job and had a little trouble finding a new one)

And BTW, I wouldnt fault you one bit for going there if you had to. Nobody here or anywhere else will be contributing "Turkey Shoot Employment Fund" to help you out while you look for another job, avoiding go-jets. When it comes down to it, they could give a rat's azz about you, as long as food is on their table. You have to do what's best for your family, because you know they are doing what's best for theirs.

And what would be best for the family? Taking a job that further depresses wages in the industry? Showing the kids that it is acceptable to step on your freinds heads to give yourself that little extra boost? Taking a hojets job hurts everyone industrywide. Some of the swine will prosper for it, but thankfully, most will not. Can you say "blackball?" I knew you could! Sleep well princess...

 

[Shrek]

Just jumpseated on a LCC carrier from STL - DEN. The Captain looked at my creds and looked at my Alter-e g 0 j e ts badge backer for a full 10 seconds. He then looks at me and with a NOD says you are welcome on my airplane ANYTIME.

Point is......there ARE pilots outside the 50-70-90 seat market that are supporting the TSA pilots........this is a marathon - doing what is right will pay off in the end.

Why do I see 5-8 G0jet 700's parked on the ramp?....doesn't look good over there at all financially.

 

[stage]

Can you say "blackball?" I knew you could! Sleep well princess...

If only Alpa had that kind of clout...

 

[redbook]

If only Alpa had that kind of clout...

I guess you can go to g0jet and put it to the test. It is pretty clear the g0jet crews are anxious about their future.

Please tell us the ends justify the means or something else insightful.

You are trying to have it both ways: "do what is best for my family (common refrain of scabs and alter ego pilots justifying their actions) and then "If only ALPA had that kind of clout." Right. I am sure you and D'Angelo are rooting for that outcome together.

 

[redbook]

How clever and witty. Insightful. Thought-provoking even.

I guess that means you are enlightened now? Or still pro whipsaw?

Take a stand. Don't obfuscate and confuse.

Pro whipsaw alter ego or not?

Its a very simple issue despite your best attempt at third grade mimicry.

 

[redbook]

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Point is......there ARE pilots outside the 50-70-90 seat market that are supporting the TSA pilots........this is a marathon - doing what is right will pay off in the end.

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Exactly.

Every generation learns on its own. For every "scab success story" there are dozens of others that are no longer in the industry. The alter ego whipsaw pilots will share a similar fate.

 

[stage]

I guess you can go to g0jet and put it to the test. It is pretty clear the g0jet crews are anxious about their future.

Please tell us the ends justify the means or something else insightful.

You are trying to have it both ways: "do what is best for my family (common refrain of scabs and alter ego pilots justifying their actions) and then "If only ALPA had that kind of clout." Right. I am sure you and D'Angelo are rooting for that outcome together.

Alpa doesnt have that kind of clout. TSA pilots have near zero influence over the hiring practices of major airlines, like it or not. Rtmcfi says "blackball", and I say they dont have the clout to blackball anybody on this issue.

 

[redbook]

Alpa doesnt have that kind of clout. TSA pilots have near zero influence over the hiring practices of major airlines, like it or not. Rtmcfi says "blackball", and I say they dont have the clout to blackball anybody on this issue.

If you only knew.

 

[stage]

I guess that means you are enlightened now? Or still pro whipsaw?

Take a stand. Don't obfuscate and confuse.

Pro whipsaw alter ego or not?

Its a very simple issue despite your best attempt at third grade mimicry.

Enlightened? Yes. Thank you for that.

Pro whipsaw? No.

Pro stupid-futile-jumpseat war? No.

Do I hate pilots for making personal decisions in the best interest of their family? No, even if they chose differently than I would choose for my family.

 

[stage]

If you only knew.

Didnt one of the "scumbags" just get hired at Continental? The "TSA anti-scumbag machine" didnt work too well in that case, did it?

 

[redbook]

Enlightened? Yes. Thank you for that.

Pro whipsaw? No.

Pro stupid-futile-jumpseat war? No.

Do I hate pilots for making personal decisions in the best interest of their family? No, even if they choose differently than I would choose for my family.

1. Your welcome.

2. Ok.

3. No comment.

4. There you go again. You took a stand at number 2. I know you can do it. Stick to it. Joining an alter ego whipsaw is not a defensible choice.

 

[redbook]

Didnt one of the "scumbags" just get hired at Continental? The "TSA anti-scumbag machine" didnt work too well in that case, did it?

You seem to know a lot, from the outside, huh? The anti scumbag machine is hard at work, but perhaps not 100% effective. However a scumbag hopeful going to g0jet will have to weigh heavily whether he wants a 2% chance at future employment.

 

[rtmcfi]

Alpa doesnt have that kind of clout. TSA pilots have near zero influence over the hiring practices of major airlines, like it or not. Rtmcfi says "blackball", and I say they dont have the clout to blackball anybody on this issue.

One does not have to be an ALPA member to see this is a bad deal fo all pilots. I actually don't think it is ALPA that hojets scum should fear. It will be grass-roots, one pilot to another, spreading of the word that will seal the fate of alter-ego swine. All it takes is one guy on an interview board. Do you know the people on the interview board at your airline? I know a couple, and they know how I feel. They see things much the same as I do. Of course, it does not take a real genius to see that alter ego carriers, and those that choose to work for them are a pox on pilots everywhere. Convincing them to quash any hojets guys is not terribly difficult.

Do the guys at hojets strike you as the type that will bust there butts to get on hiring boards, so they can help out their old pals? A few will make it through, no doubt, but don't look to them for help in getting you on, as they are demonstratably selfish. It is obvious that hojets folks don't think about the big picture. I aim to dumb it down for them. Go to hojets, and I will do everything in my power to ensure you sleep in the bed you made. I'm not alone either.........

 

[stage]

1. Your welcome.

2. Ok.

3. No comment.

4. There you go again. You took a stand at number 2. I know you can do it. Stick to it. Joining an alter ego whipsaw is not a defensible choice.

Why not comment on #3?

I dont like what management did, no. But I dont hate a guy going from $5 an hour flying crop dusters to flying an RJ for 20-something, soon to be 50-something with a quick upgrade.

We all work for somebody else, bottom line. If we dont like the decisions that he/she makes, we can either take it with no lube, go into management and change it, go on strike, or quit. How worthless is it to go after a guy that didnt make the decisions that pissed you off in the first place? But many of you dont see that...

 

[redbook]

But I dont hate a guy going from $5 an hour flying crop dusters to flying an RJ for 20-something, soon to be 50-something with a quick upgrade.

We all work for somebody else, bottom line. If we dont like the decisions that he/she makes, we can either take it, go into management and change it, go on strike, or quit. How worthless is it to go after a guy that didnt make the decisions that pissed you off in the first place? But many of you dont see that...

I just don't know what to say to that. You said you are against whipsaw alter ego airlines and then you switch positions and say, well if the money is good.
What about crossing a picket line? Where do you draw the line?

Those guys did make those decisions. Without them there would be no g0jet. mangagement is well aware of that.

 

[redbook]

One does not have to be an ALPA member to see this is a bad deal fo all pilots. I actually don't think it is ALPA that hojets scum should fear. It will be grass-roots, one pilot to another, spreading of the word that will seal the fate of alter-ego swine. All it takes is one guy on an interview board. Do you know the people on the interview board at your airline? I know a couple, and they know how I feel. They see things much the same as I do. Of course, it does not take a real genius to see that alter ego carriers, and those that choose to work for them are a pox on pilots everywhere. Convincing them to quash any hojets guys is not terribly difficult.

Do the guys at hojets strike you as the type that will bust there butts to get on hiring boards, so they can help out their old pals? A few will make it through, no doubt, but don't look to them for help in getting you on, as they are demonstratably selfish. It is obvious that hojets folks don't think about the big picture. I aim to dumb it down for them. Go to hojets, and I will do everything in my power to ensure you sleep in the bed you made. I'm not alone either.........

I agree with everything posted and it is a very similar sentiment among a large number of pilots.

 

[stage]

I just don't know what to say to that. You said you are against whipsaw alter ego airlines and then you switch positions and say, well if the money is good.
What about crossing a picket line? Where do you draw the line?

Those guys did make those decisions. Without them there would be no g0jet. mangagement is well aware of that.

I just dont misplace my frustration the way some people here have. Be pissed off at management. They created this.

And if the "scumbags" crossed a picketline and were actually scabs, I would be right with you in trying to blackball them.

 

[redbook]

I just dont misplace my frustration the way some people here have. Be pissed off at management. They created this.

And if the "scumbags" crossed a picketline and were actually scabs, I would be right with you in trying to blackball them.

Fair enough. I guess there remains only one issue: It sounds like you are discounting the importance of an alter ego whipsaw carrier.

 

[rtmcfi]

I just dont misplace my frustration the way some people here have. Be pissed off at management. They created this.

And if the "scumbags" crossed a picketline and were actually scabs, I would be right with you in trying to blackball them.

Management was not alone in this. Management does not fly those planes. Management needed, and found willing accomplices. I can't do much about management. However, I can and will do what I am able to prevent pilots from assisting management in the systematic rape of my profession. But hey, you are not going to hojets, so it is not your battle right? I am just trying to do what is best for my family....

 

[PCL_128]

I just dont misplace my frustration the way some people here have. Be pissed off at management. They created this.

Of course we are pissed at management, but this behavior is to be expected from them. If there weren't scumbag, backstabbing, lowlife pseudo-scabs like the HoJet pilots to help them though, then management would not be successful. The backstabbing pilots are the ones that make this all possible. If they refused to help management in their endeavor to screw over the TSA pilots and break the union, then management would have to give up and put the planes where they belong: at TSA. As long as pilots are willing to work for an alter-ego carrier like HoJets, then management will continue to use these tactics to decimate our profession. These pilots are just as much to blame as management.

 

[Smarta$$]

Dont worry next time ill make sure they have some ID-90s in their bag. That way he can go get his boarding pass come back and say ill be in the back if you need me prick thanks for the free peanuts. Actually the best time to say this would be after the flight. Then watch the captain get all angry and realize theres nothing he can do about it. Hysterical. Oh sure try and call security, for someone with a valid boarding pass? I Dont think so.

Why do you condone gayjets? Would you not be pissed if Comair started a seperate certificate to fly growth aircraft and left you without your upgrade? Me thinks you would be pissed if it were happening at your airline and happening to you.

 

[stage]

Why do you condone gayjets? Would you not be pissed if Comair started a seperate certificate to fly growth aircraft and left you without your upgrade? Me thinks you would be pissed if it were happening at your airline and happening to you.

Actually, it is happening at Comair, essentially.

The Comair pilot group voted on a pay freeze last year to guarantee growth, which never came. Comair furloughed some pilots temporarily, while Mesa and Chautauqua and Republic were expanding their delta connection flying. Should Comair captains deny the jumpseat to other connection pilots because of Delta mainline management decisions?

 

[Smarta$$]

Actually, it is happening at Comair, essentially.

The Comair pilot group voted on a pay freeze last year to guarantee growth, which never came. Comair furloughed some pilots temporarily, while Mesa and Chautauqua and Republic were expanding their delta connection flying. Should Comair captains deny the jumpseat to other connection pilots because of Delta mainline management decisions?

This is the dumbest response i have ever heard. Come talk to me with that ******************** when Comair management starts a new company to fly these planes.

Your example is of competition between onrelated companies and contracts being awarded by delta mainline.

Far Far Far Far from even being close to the same thing.

Do us all a favor and admit that you either work there, have an interview scheduled or are starting class. Otherwise you are just lying to everyone that you are trying to convince.

By the way, as long as their are other regionals hiring pilots the feed your family excuse does not work, since their are other oportunities to feed your family.

 

[Smarta$$]

Actually, it is happening at Comair, essentially.

The Comair pilot group voted on a pay freeze last year to guarantee growth, which never came. Comair furloughed some pilots temporarily, while Mesa and Chautauqua and Republic were expanding their delta connection flying. Should Comair captains deny the jumpseat to other connection pilots because of Delta mainline management decisions?

By the way, Trans States Holdings is HIRING PILOTS and FURLOUGHING PILOTS at the same time. Their is no excuse for this. And it is the gayjets pilots fault. Those pilots know what is going on and what the company's intentions are by keeping the lists seperate. If they would not except the job the company would have no choice but to integrate the lists.

 

[stage]

This is the dumbest response i have ever heard. Come talk to me with that ******************** when Comair management starts a new company to fly these planes.

Your example is of competition between onrelated companies and contracts being awarded by delta mainline.

Far Far Far Far from even being close to the same thing.

Do us all a favor and admit that you either work there, have an interview scheduled or are starting class. Otherwise you are just lying to everyone that you are trying to convince.

By the way, as long as their are other regionals hiring pilots the feed your family excuse does not work, since their are other oportunities to feed your family.

Not Comair management....take it one step up (DCI management), and you have a management decision that hurts Comair, just like the one by TSH that hurt TSA. Both took flying away and gave it to another pilot group, right?

But I dont think you will see Comair pilots starting a petty jumpseat war with Mesa or Chautauqua. That's just plain stupid.

 

[mckpickle]

I've so had it with this board and the morons that post here.

Jumpseating is a PROFESSIONAL COURTESY. It is to be offered by a captain to another crew member. Many captains do not feel they should offer their courtesy to people who go out of their way to hurt others. I support those captains.

All you other idiots who yap about union this and management that....STFU. ALPA warned these pilots over a year ago and told them what they were doing was nothing but hurting the TSA pilots. They took the jobs anyway. It is nothing more that a guy trying to get ahead by stepping on others, and I won't stand for it. I may not be able to do much however, I won't go out of my way to make it easy for that person.

 

[mckpickle]

Ha try to let that argument fly because I dont like XXX airline im not letting someone with a VALID BOARDING PASS on. Captains authority doesnt mean the ego can run wild. There must always be a checks and balances system which is what the ID-90 is for. You say thanks for the ride prick after the flight. Thats why Im saying dont even intro yourself until after the flight is over in which case the captain can do absolutely nothing!!! You can say thanks for the CHEAP ride but not free ride since the ID-90 does cost some money. Boy those ID-90s sure come in handy.

Shut up, you are an idiot. Here's your sign.

Ever hear of a weight restriction? You should have been around in the days when Lorenzo tried to get on ATR's to ACK. Amazing how there seems to be a lot of weight restrictions. Captain says he gets off, he gets off. End of story.
Now go polish your sign.

 

[Smarta$$]

Not Comair management....take it one step up (DCI management), and you have a management decision that hurts Comair, just like the one by TSH that hurt TSA. Both took flying away and gave it to another pilot group, right?

But I dont think you will see Comair pilots starting a petty jumpseat war with Mesa or Chautauqua. That's just plain stupid.

You are still not even close. Delta management made the decision. The flying went to a company OUTSIDE of Comair and outside of Delta. You see it is not the same as Comair or DCI starting a new company within the existing company to take the growth aircraft to circumvent the contract with its existing pilots.

Get a clue, you are convincing no one.

 

[Reebo]

Didnt one of the "scumbags" just get hired at Continental? The "TSA anti-scumbag machine" didnt work too well in that case, did it?

He was furloghed from ATA, had priority interview due to the fact he was layed off. Don't think many of the other guys there have an "in".

 

[temcgrew]

I've so had it with this board and the morons that post here.

Jumpseating is a PROFESSIONAL COURTESY. It is to be offered by a captain to another crew member. Many captains do not feel they should offer their courtesy to people who go out of their way to hurt others. I support those captains.

That's all its about, let 'em on if you want, as for me and my aircraft.....NO THANKS.

Professional courtesy is like respect, you have to give it to get it back. I do not feel that any G0jet pilots have shown an ounce of that.

Also for me it is for health reasons. I'm trying to keep my blood pressure down.