G0-Jet Pay Scales

[h25b]

I still haven't heard anybody come up with a good reason why Trans States created a seperate pilot group for GJ. All union issues aside, it was MGT that decided not to include the TSA pilots in the 70 seat flying from the beginning.

I would guess the reason why the last offer was more of an ultimatum was due to the fact that they didn't have forever to negotiate it out and needed to get the ball rolling. I'm sure they were on a timeline to get operational from United. The TSA pilots would have been far better off to just take the deal, secure the flying for the future and live to fight another day. It came down to the point where management decided to call their bluff.

The CHQ pilots didn't get everything they wanted either, but they decided it was far better to keep all of the flying on the single seniority list.

 

[POKEY]

I would guess the reason why the last offer was more of an ultimatum was due to the fact that they didn't have forever to negotiate it out and needed to get the ball rolling. I'm sure they were on a timeline to get operational from United. The TSA pilots would have been far better off to just take the deal, secure the flying for the future and live to fight another day. It came down to the point where management decided to call their bluff.

The CHQ pilots didn't get everything they wanted either, but they decided it was far better to keep all of the flying on the single seniority list.

I wasn't talking about the LOA from the company, before it even came to that MGT could have just let TSA pilots bid on the new positions like normal. Looks to me like they created a sepreate pilot group so they could pay them less than our contract would have allowed for (industry avg.) with the side benfit of a little whipsaw during our negotiations.

CHQ had a different problem, the Republic deal was surfacing during contract negotiations.

 

[h25b]

I wasn't talking about the LOA from the company, before it even came to that MGT could have just let TSA pilots bid on the new positions like normal. Looks to me like they created a sepreate pilot group so they could pay them less than our contract would have allowed for (industry avg.) with the side benfit of a little whipsaw during our negotiations.

CHQ had a different problem, the Republic deal was surfacing during contract negotiations.

First of all, payscales and work rules for the 70 seat a/c must be added to the currect CBA via a side letter (I think) so you have to come to terms with the company via negotiations.

You don't just go along and suddenly say, "the 70 seaters are now up for bid.." Your constrained by the process of collective bargaining. Especially if there are not already provisions for that class of aircraft in the CBA.

 

[POKEY]

First of all, payscales and work rules for the 70 seat a/c must be added to the currect CBA via a side letter (I think) so you have to come to terms with the company via negotiations.

You don't just go along and suddenly say, "the 70 seaters are now up for bid.." Your constrained by the process of collective bargaining. Especially if there are not already provisions for that class of aircraft in the CBA.

Actually there are provisions in our contract for just such a situation. MGT can add whatever airplanes they want and if we can't come to an agreement on pay, we get industry avg for that type period. It is true that the MEC and MGT tried for a long time to agree on a payscale but the last offer from the MEc was rejected by MGT (i heard), I believe it was Mesa 70 seat rates plus 1%.

 

[Motive Flow]

Actually there are provisions in our contract for just such a situation. MGT can add whatever airplanes they want and if we can't come to an agreement on pay, we get industry avg for that type period. It is true that the MEC and MGT tried for a long time to agree on a payscale but the last offer from the MEc was rejected by MGT (i heard), I believe it was Mesa 70 seat rates plus 1%.

You're right. And the Company sees industry average as just too much.uke:

 

[jetfo]

You're right. And the Company sees industry average as just too much.uke:

Your company and every other : (

 

[temcgrew]

I would guess the reason why the last offer was more of an ultimatum was due to the fact that they didn't have forever to negotiate it out and needed to get the ball rolling. I'm sure they were on a timeline to get operational from United. The TSA pilots would have been far better off to just take the deal, secure the flying for the future and live to fight another day. It came down to the point where management decided to call their bluff.

I think you are mistaken on the how things played out.

1. Town hall meetings with company describing g0jet.
2. G0jet PILOTS HIRED OFF THE STREET.
3. G0jet recieves 121 certificate.
4. Contract offered to the pilots at TSA
5. A week later was the first revenue flight.

there were provisions in the contract to protect the g0jet pilots from furlough. The company already had the "ball rolling" as you said.

When the contract was given to us it was indeed the "last" offer. However, let me remind you that it was the ONLY offer and it only happened AFTER g0jet was staffed with pilots. The company knew that we would vote it down, and so didn't negotiate afterwards

AGAIN, IN CASE YOU DIDN'T GET IT!! IT WAS THE ONLY OFFER FROM MANAGMENT, AFTER PILOTS WERE HIRED.

 

[jetfo]

I think you are mistaken on the how things played out.

1. Town hall meetings with company describing g0jet.
2. G0jet PILOTS HIRED OFF THE STREET.
3. G0jet recieves 121 certificate.
4. Contract offered to the pilots at TSA
5. A week later was the first revenue flight.

there were provisions in the contract to protect the g0jet pilots from furlough. The company already had the "ball rolling" as you said.

When the contract was given to us it was indeed the "last" offer. However, let me remind you that it was the ONLY offer and it only happened AFTER g0jet was staffed with pilots. The company knew that we would vote it down, and so didn't negotiate afterwards

AGAIN, IN CASE YOU DIDN'T GET IT!! IT WAS THE ONLY OFFER FROM MANAGMENT, AFTER PILOTS WERE HIRED.

Again, with 20/20 hindsight, you should have taken the offer and the flying and worry about negotiating a better contract later. You're right, they screwed you guys, but what else is new.

 

[Jbitzer]

Again, with 20/20 hindsight, you should have taken the offer and the flying and worry about negotiating a better contract later. You're right, they screwed you guys, but what else is new.

Hindsight? I took all this as we (TSA) can eat a sh!t sandwich now or a sh!t sandwich later. Now when this BS came up and they offered us a sh!t deal I said no. It sucked, it was lowering the bar.... so I chose not to eat the sandwich then.... (and have have to wait 6 yrs for a new contract-4 yr ext and 2 more yrs to negociate) Well I'm eating it right now b/c we are gonna get f-ed over the next 2 yrs during the current negociations, but don't tell me that I should have taken a crappy deal.

 

[tomcash]

Again, with 20/20 hindsight, you should have taken the offer and the flying and worry about negotiating a better contract later. You're right, they screwed you guys, but what else is new.

JetF/O-

Your inane posts are an atrocity.

If you have no leg in this slamming of *************************s, why are you defending the classless group of assclowns that call themselves pilots? After reading your posts, you clearly show you have no respect of anyone in this industry.

And to the other scab supporter that called "the pilots" of Shmo-Jets competition??? Now airlines are competing with their own alter-egos???

Scratch

 

[Jbitzer]

screw *************************s and the dirt that works there

 

[Jbitzer]

start the revolution

 

[panamclipper]

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