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The realization that this was an internal issue that stemmed from TSA and TSA alone, was quickly coming to light. Nobody else in the industry seemed to care what was happening at TSA. Surveys of most industry professionals did not even know GJ existed. ALPA National leadership even stood down when it was finally determined that GJ was not illegally created, and tried to pursue ways to make GJ ALPA members instead. It still remains a mystery how that was supposed to help the TSA pilots when the GJ pilots, under ALPA or Teamsters, would remain a separate company with a separate seniority list under a separate collective bargaining agreement. ALPA, with a history of corruption at the local level, was the last union the GJ pilots wanted. The Teamsters would give them a fresh new start. The propaganda grew into such elaborate and elastic lies, that it became evident no amount of retort would make a difference. It would only help to muddy the waters that were already hard to interpret. The public would just have to find out for themselves. A little research would bring the truth to light...

There was no strike. There was no picket line. There was only animosity and jealousy from the TSA pilots over this new market opportunity that would save TSH, thus saving TSA itself. But GJ could not be a part of TSA. It had to be its own entity. The underlying truth was thatGJneeded to be created, and could not be affiliated with TSA in order for the legalities to work. TSA was not allowed by contractual obligation to American to fly these new industry contracts because they required larger jets. No jobs were stolen. Jobs were created. TSA pilots had several opportunities to be a part of the exciting opportunity that GJ had to offer. In an extension of loyalty, pilots were even offered their longevity at TSA up to five years to fly for GJAfter all, TSH owned both companies, and it had the authority to issue such an offer. Although some had much more time than five years at TSA, payscales for the larger aircraft at GJ would still put those pilots in a position to make more money, have a longer future and fly larger aircraft than they could at TSA. The plan to secure the future of the airline rested with GJand all the TSA pilot group could say now was how dishonorable the company had been.

Machiavelli and Cicero, most noted for their positions on social diplomacy, said it very well. Disputes between honor and security will always be determined by the consideration of necessity. The necessity of honor should come first, the necessity of security usually second, and the necessity of convenience always considered last. Cicero affirms that this order can be changed, however, if the security of the company is at stake. If the position of the company illustrates that the security of its future may be questionable if certain steps are not achieved, then the necessity of security outweighs the necessity of honor, and it is common knowledge that honor can easily be reclaimed through courage and diligence.

Even today, as GJ grows, it is strengthening TSH and TSA, paving the path to a future that pilots of both companies will benefit. Those who had the courage to accept employment at GJ and the diligence to see the company through to its final certification for revenue flight should be recognized for having helped create a vehicle that will stabilize the future for all pilots under TSH. Those who stayed at TSA who decided not to take the opportunity at GJ should appreciate the risks the pilots of GJ took in the face of failure, adversity and public persecution to create opportunity for all. Great risks are deserving of great rewards. And thus, the story ends.
 
It was brilliant. Not that this hadn't happened before, but that it would happen quickly enough to be one of only a handful of competitors in this new market. Something that was direly necessary in order to secure the future of TSH, which included TSA. The new certificate would eventually be called GJ Airlines, LLC. As a separate carrier controlled by TSH, this new company would be the vehicle that all would instill new hope to carry TSH into the future of US domestic air travel. Or would it...

The TSA pilots saw this new sister company as a threat to their very existence, and not at all a savior of their future even though the mjority of the TSA pilot group has an average 75% turn- over rate. Pilots came to TSA to get the coveted FAA Part 121 Pilot In Command (PIC) hours and move on to a major airline, thereby effectively using the airline as a stepping stone to "higher" employment.

After the well worded Bio, the only thing I don't understand was why couldn't you have rewarded the pilots at TSA by letting them fly these airplanes instead of others off the street.

What a beautifull story, sounds like a history channel special, the tradgedy lies in the fact that TSH still used G0jet as a tool to get around the two unions on the property, ALPA and the TEAMSTERS (flight attendants). The rampers, and mechanics are non-union, so they still get to be the "one company, sort of".

Sad, it could have been a great dead done to let your own employees advance.

TSA pilots had several opportunities to be a part of the exciting opportunity that GJ had to offer

Funny, it was only offered once. could you give a long disertation on the meaning of the word "negotiate"?

If the position of the company illustrates that the security of its future may be questionable if certain steps are not achieved, then the necessity of security outweighs the necessity of honor, and it is common knowledge that honor can easily be reclaimed through courage and diligence.
Are you speaking english here?
 
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UEJ500 said:
After the well worded Bio, the only thing I don't understand was why couldn't you have rewarded the pilots at TSA by letting them fly these airplanes instead of others off the street.

What a beautifull story, sounds like a history channel special, the tradgedy lies in the fact that TSH still used G0jet as a tool to get around the two unions on the property, ALPA and the TEAMSTERS (flight attendants). The rampers, and mechanics are non-union, so they still get to be the "one company, sort of".

Sad, it could have been a great dead done to let your own employees advance.

Sad indeed, but there are 2 parties that had to come together to make that happen. Management and TSA ALPA. They didn't, ALPA voted down an offer and management staffed them on their own..
 
ALPA National leadership even stood down when it was finally determined that GJ was not illegally created, and tried to pursue ways to make GJ ALPA members instead. It still remains a mystery how that was supposed to help the TSA pilots when the GJ pilots, under ALPA or Teamsters, would remain a separate company with a separate seniority list under a separate collective bargaining agreement.

Well, ALPA National told the pilot group in no uncertain terms that the single carrier petition was a loosing situation, and you are right, even winning that wouldn't have done anything for the TSA pilots. It would still be two seperate companies. National encouraged the pilots to vote the contract in to secure one seniority list.

The Question I want answered is that why would the company not have offered that in the first place? The contract that would secure the flying for TSA wasn't offered until AFTER the initial group of pilots were hired. It contained "furlough protection" and other things like that.

With many companies out there that seem to care for the well being of the employees, TSH is not in that category. If your employees are not happy and are getting in the way of "GROWTH" at g0jet, then there is a reason for that. Treat people fairly and reward employees with growth opportunities and they will take care of your airline very well.

There was only animosity and jealousy from the TSA pilots over this new market opportunity that would save TSH, thus saving TSA itself.
It wasn't just the TSA pilots who have spread the word. How about FEDEX, AIRWISCONSIN, COMAIR, USAIR, UNITED (not many J4J) SOUTHWEST, and the list goes on. The so called "jumpseat war" was only a few isolated cases at TSA and were inapropriate.
 
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KingKong2 said:
Those who stayed at TSA who decided not to take the opportunity at GJ should appreciate the risks the pilots of GJ took in the face of failure, adversity and public persecution to create opportunity for all. Great risks are deserving of great rewards. And thus, the story ends.

Wow, you are all certifiable.

Could you rewrite the history of WWII? I bet you could.

Thanks for providing more evidence of how messed up g0jet pilots are.

"And thus the story ends." Too much. Your career? What kind of music was playing in your head as you wrote that? The guys with the straightjackets should be by soon.
 
KingKong2 said:
. The necessity of honor should come first, the necessity of security usually second, and the necessity of convenience always considered last. If the position of the company illustrates that the security of its future may be questionable if certain steps are not achieved, then the necessity of security outweighs the necessity of honor, and it is common knowledge that honor can easily be reclaimed through courage and diligence.

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Dan,

I think you are saying: its ok to be a scumbag. Later on, when no one is looking you won't be a scumbag.

There will be a lot of witnesses to remind you, that yes, you still are a scumbag.
 
redbook said:
well g0jet scumbags? tell me black is white and white is black, or try and draw in some other unrelated issue.

While I am not with GJ and don't think their pilots are scumbags, although I think TSA Holdings management may fit the title, when did Woerth give this speech? Might it have been long before the single carrier issue was adjudicated and long before GJ voted in the Teamsters?
 
BoilerUP said:
Once again, I never said there was a strike or a picket line at TSA. Where do you dream this stuff up? You, for all your vast knowledge and understanding, must realize the point (that you once again obviously missed) is that just like everybody has problems, everybody has obligations and a family. While its true everyone has to look out for themselves, TSA ALPA *was* negotiating for the GJ flying but turned down a terrible offer from Hulas. Every single current and future GJ pilot directly weakened the negotiating power of TSA pilots, and that is a fact you cannot deny.

You know what that is called Paul? Competition, just like what we are all facing from Mesa, and what ExpressJet, Mesaba and Pinnacle is facing from their competitors that are trying to take away their flying.

Do you think you're going to stop that, or that the TSA vs GJ situation is different or unique? It sucks, but get over it.

You guys at Air Whiskey are essentially taking flying away from mainline US and from the wholly owned carriers in exchange for your investment. Well, at least you paid to play. That must make you saints.

Count yourself lucky that you are with a carrier that values their pilots and has what now must be regarded as an industry leading contract and let the TSA guys who rejected the flying because they didn't like the terms fight their own battles.

Fact is, had Comair not voted for concessions their flying would have gone to the lowest bidder. Is that fair, probably not, but it is a fact of life now. Hold on you're an "airline pilot" now, get used to disappointments.
 
Only a GJ pilot full of guilt could write such a diatribe of spin. If you guys feel you have done nothing wrong then why do you all try so hard to justify and explain yourself.
 

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