Future Prospects Ahead for Legacy ASA

[Data]

You're talking about once a year "work"... As opposed to 6,7,8 legs a day where each one is worth .9 hours of credit. Those OM revisions must be exhausting..

I've never quantified the amount of work, you did. I've simply said it's more work, therefore more responsibility, so, I expect more pay. As for the 6,7,8 leg days, if it's too much work for you, bid over to the 700 and you won't have that problem.

 

[Clutch]

I've never quantified the amount of work, you did. I've simply said it's more work, therefore more responsibility, so, I expect more pay. As for the 6,7,8 leg days, if it's too much work for you, bid over to the 700 and you won't have that problem.

You're "OM revision" and "extra" limitations qualifier for "more work" is laughable.

 

[Data]

You're "OM revision" and "extra" limitations qualifier for "more work" is laughable.

Then let's add the ERJs, they've got 50 seats, right? They've got 2 engines, the same stuff the CRJs have, where do you draw the line? That's only once a year knowledge, right? Why not add every aircraft out there? After all, it's just one more OM and another set of limitations? Who's the idiot here? While you're at it, let the unions know that you've decided pilots should fly every aircarft in the fleet, regardless of seats and historical precedent. Thanks ace!

 

[Clutch]

Then let's add the ERJs, they've got 50 seats, right? They've got 2 engines, the same stuff the CRJs have, where do you draw the line? That's only once a year knowledge, right? Why not add every aircraft out there? After all, it's just one more OM and another set of limitations? Who's the idiot here? While you're at it, let the unions know that you've decided pilots should fly every aircarft in the fleet, regardless of seats and historical precedent. Thanks ace!

You're such a nerd Data.

No one is saying anything about the ERJ. I'm simply trying to get your delusional ass back down to reality. The 700 has better stage lengths, free meals, better overnights and better credit...All for an extra 3 or 4 grand a year. That's great! But to make the argument that you have it harder because you have to put a couple pieces of paper into your little book while at cruise is cosmically absurd. At least try to convince me you deserve more pay because you carry more passengers. I might believe that one.

 

[Data]

You're such a nerd Data.

No one is saying anything about the ERJ. I'm simply trying to get your delusional ass back down to reality. The 700 has better stage lengths, free meals, better overnights and better credit...All for an extra 3 or 4 grand a year. That's great! But to make the argument that you have it harder because you have to put a couple pieces of paper into your little book while at cruise is cosmically absurd. At least try to convince me you deserve more pay because you carry more passengers. I might believe that one.

Delusional? This is comical. I never said I have it harder (you, by the way, have whined about that). You aren't listening. What I have said over and over is that if the company wants me to be responsible for flying the 50, the 700 and the 900 then I should be paid a higher wage.

Question, could you go down to Flight Safety right now and go thru EQP on the 700, right now, today? With your ticket on the line, including the oral and pathetic written test (limitations and emergency procedures)? Perhaps you could, but again, with your ticket on the line? Would I go do that on the 50? No way, not with my ticket on the line. Could I do it? Most likely yes. But to be responsible for the knowledge, however minor it might be, is what we're, or at least I'm, discussing. Our whole livelyhood is based on being able to get thru a checkride to continue to do what we do day in and day out, even though it's once a year. There's a difference between being cool, like you, and being able to fly any airplane I get in, and practical like me, to be legally liable for the operation in day to day flying with half to three-quarters of a billion dollars for each flight in insurance. That's the responsiblity and 'work' I'm talking about.

We're on the same team, but to give away our pay based on seats because you don't think it's more work is really what's delusional. Carry on.

 

[777forever]

You're such a nerd Data.

No one is saying anything about the ERJ. I'm simply trying to get your delusional ass back down to reality. The 700 has better stage lengths, free meals, better overnights and better credit...All for an extra 3 or 4 grand a year. That's great! But to make the argument that you have it harder because you have to put a couple pieces of paper into your little book while at cruise is cosmically absurd. At least try to convince me you deserve more pay because you carry more passengers. I might believe that one.

Good lord, he's saying more work is having to know the 200 stuff IN ADDITION to 700/900 stuff, not that the 700/900 is harder than the 200! I agree with him, more pay for more responsibility. Its not ridiculously hard hard to learn the 200/700/900, but it will take a few more minutes of flipping flash cards to get the 200/700/900 weights and other limitations down cold. So I expect some sort of compensation for it

 

[Nevets]

Dual qual and blended rate are two separate and completely different things.

 

[jetRAT]

The rumor that this thread originally started with, may have some merit. In recurrent bout a month ago, SH told the 7/9 drivers "I can't say any more, but you don't have anything to worry about, concerning displacements." Hope it all pans out. After watching legacy Xjet hire and upgrade over the past few months, it would be nice to have some growth here too.

 

[JettBoii]

Scott hall knows nothing.

 

[SpaceShipEarth]

Clutch... here is reality:

This is a Tug-of-War. Both parties must pull as hard as they can for their side. If you fail to do this than you will wind up in a pit of mud. If you want to go help the other side pull then go right ahead. Ill gladly hand you a towel to wipe the mud off of your face afterwards.

 

[Varmint]

Legacy....LOL....funny. The only legacy about ASA the public knows is bad on-time performance and horrible bag handling numbers........yes yes yes, I know its all Delta's fault just remember the numbers were worse before Delta took over ground handling.

 

[777forever]

Scott hall knows nothing.

Yup SH knows nothing even though he basically runs the airline


Anyways, no update this week from Brad, something is brewing. Announcement next week? All rumors I'm hearing though are pointing at big growth on the XJT side

 

[Gulf-front]

The only growth you will see is in your Avatar!

 

[Freebrd]

Yup SH knows nothing even though he basically runs the airline

you are by far the most ignorant and stupidest poster on here, SH give me a f@#&%g break you clown

 

[crj567]

you are by far the most ignorant and stupidest poster on here, SH give me a f@#&%g break you clown

Ditto to that!

And 777 has poor enough taste so as to actually use livestock as an avatar. Good God, that is one ugly mule!

 

[777forever]

you are by far the most ignorant and stupidest poster on here, SH give me a f@#&%g break you clown

Ditto to that!

And 777 has poor enough taste so as to actually use livestock as an avatar. Good God, that is one ugly mule!

You two go back to making out with each other in the closet. Grown folk talkin here

 

[JustaNumber]

Make it 125% for over 85hrs and stretch out longevity pay increases to 30 years. Oh and a B fund. Everyone wins. We get more money for being productive. Company saves money with common use reserves. And our mainline partners gain huge flexibility that will support base stability. The bonus to dual qual is that it removes one more hurdle to One List with Skywest. After seeing these nonstop shuffles, that should be in everyones mind.

Sounds good, except for that stuff about a B fund. Just ask all the thousands of major airline pilots who worked their whole careers with the promise of a nice big B fund waiting at the end, and then whoops--no more money in the B fund! Sorry 'bout that!

It's just like social security--if crooks are in charge of "your" money, you'll never see a dime. Give me more $$ right up front any day, and let me take care of my own retirement.



Actually, why don't we just insist on swapping dual qual for One List? I think most guys would actually consider that one. The company would save a ton of money (allowing them to bid more competitively on contracts, which would be good for our career security and growth), and we stop all chances of whipsaw.

 

[Nevets]

Sounds good, except for that stuff about a B fund. Just ask all the thousands of major airline pilots who worked their whole careers with the promise of a nice big B fund waiting at the end, and then whoops--no more money in the B fund! Sorry 'bout that!

It's just like social security--if crooks are in charge of "your" money, you'll never see a dime. Give me more $$ right up front any day, and let me take care of my own retirement.

You are getting A funds (defined benefit plan) confused with B funds (defined contribution plan).

 

[Speedtape]

Legacy....LOL....funny. The only legacy about ASA the public knows is bad on-time performance and horrible bag handling numbers........yes yes yes, I know its all Delta's fault just remember the numbers were worse before Delta took over ground handling.

You are misinformed, Grasshoppa!

Bag transfer has been handled by mainline since 2000. So, yes the blame goes elsewhere.

In it's worse month of on-time performance, ASA was still better than mainline.

FYI, after ASA's purchase in 1999, our management were mainline employees. Performance went down the tubes.

Since Inc. bought ASA several years ago, performance has improved greatly, surpassing the stats of mainline, Thanks to BH and our dedicated flight crews.

So, what's next, Grasshoppa?

 

[jetstream]

You two go back to making out with each other in the closet. Grown folk talkin here

If the flying public could see how juvinile some of the people flying them around are they would never set foot on an airliner again.