Future Pilot Pay will be at School Teacher Wages

[pilotyip]

Nope. The markets are only one factor. Labor unions see to it that pure market factors don't determine wages.

Yep kinda like the UAW jacked up the wages and benefits at GM, Ford, Chrysler. Those guys at Honda, Toyta, and Nissan never had a chance

 

[PCL_128]

Yep kinda like the UAW jacked up the wages and benefits at GM, Ford, Chrysler. Those guys at Honda, Toyta, and Nissan never had a chance

All of the non-union employees at the Honda, Toyota, and Nissan plants in the USA make a lot more money because of the jacked up wages and benefits that the unionized UAW workers at GM, Ford, and Chrysler fought for.

 

[acpilot]

All of the non-union employees at the Honda, Toyota, and Nissan plants in the USA make a lot more money because of the jacked up wages and benefits that the unionized UAW workers at GM, Ford, and Chrysler fought for.

Source? Or did you just make that up?

 

[pilotyip]

benefits man, benefits

All of the non-union employees at the Honda, Toyota, and Nissan plants in the USA make a lot more money because of the jacked up wages and benefits that the unionized UAW workers at GM, Ford, and Chrysler fought for.

Yes, They got high wages in order to keep the unions outs, because the unproductive UAW work rules would destroy their company culture. Where everyone does everything to help the company and everything is everybody's job. But H, T & N did not have the union benefits, lifetime medical, pensions funded from current operations, and cola. This allowed their companies to remain profitable. BTW I have nothing agasint your union raising wages, but if they price themselves out of the market, the non-union air carriers will make out.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

Do I get summers off?

 

[GoingHot]

As said before the markets will determine what wages will be.

As it should be. But right now and for the next 3-7 years, the Administration, Congress, Academia and the Media are pushing a brand of Socialism that would make Karl Marx and Captain Dad proud.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

As it should be.

This coming from a guy who's gained from socialized healthcare and wages.

But right now and for the next 3-7 years, the Administration, Congress, Academia and the Media are pushing a brand of Socialism that would make Karl Marx and Captain Dad proud.

Put down Ayn..... before you speak of what you do not know, can you explain our free market system where corporations receive massive amounts of federal funds, proactively (R&D for defense contractors) and bailouts for bankers who lobby govt for relaxed regulations.... Simply put our corporations are socialized in the worse way.... they privatize the profits and use the the govt (tax payer funds) to accept the losses.

You are right in that it is the Admin, Congress, Acadamia and Media.... but you are negating the massive influx of corporate funds into these organizations. That is the problem. The very capitalist paradigm that you gush/lush/blush over is really a rigged system controlled by those who have huge amounts of money.

Your choice to "remove" yourself mentally from the problem is part of the problem. You are part of this "socialist" movement that has been going on since the 1950s and have took off in the 1970's, went full throttle in the 1980s and hasn't stopped.

The real question is.... are we going to be pawns or are we going to be real American citizens. The fact is, those who have money do not want to share access to govt. Sharing access to govt means less control to create favorable laws to keep money. The goal is to keep 305M Americans disconnected from govt and citizenship.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Yes, They got high wages in order to keep the unions outs, because the unproductive UAW work rules would destroy their company culture.

That management agreed to.....

Where everyone does everything to help the company and everything is everybody's job.

There is a solid ceiling where the social and cultural rules that apply on the factory floor certainly don't apply to the front office.

Your problem is, everyone doesn't include the exec team. Those clowns are in for them. They show up for their contract (yeah CEO's get contracts too) which rewards them for selfishness and failure. They only care about short term gains, specificallly their own. But you don't want to talk about that...

You expect workers thru their unions to be altruistic to their company all while their CEO rapes it. Simply put, if a well dressed suit rang your doorbell, you'd gushingly help them pack up your belongings and give them the keys to your car to rob you. Not only that you'd justify to your neighbors why it was righteous and how they should accept and assist robbery in their homes.


You accept elitism. Which is older than history itself. Some clown decided that he was better than you, and you accept that. Not sure why, when it is at your own detriment, but that is the mentality of a 21st Century wage slave.

Chiding unions is the house slave scolding the field workers. All while master laughs because he doesn't have to do the nasty dehumanizing work. Why you readily accept the role of wage slave against wage slave is amazing and disgusting.

But H, T & N did not have the union benefits, lifetime medical, pensions funded from current operations, and cola.

Only a tool would chide a fellow American for having a retirement and a healthcare plan. These Americans fairly negotiated these benefits in the free market. Do you have a problem with the free market?

This allowed their companies to remain profitable.

Because the Japanese govt has a national healthplan that doesn't burden their companies. Are you advocating national healthcare?

BTW I have nothing agasint your union raising wages, but if they price themselves out of the market, the non-union air carriers will make out.

Because we have laws written by corporations that make it so.



Sorry an audience was created for your ridiculous comparisons of UAW labor and the RLA. You're toolbox has only three talking points on FI and they are fundamentally limited and severely flawed; 1. Love of flying takes priority over a career in flying. 2. Management is righteous. 3. Unions are bad.

 

[PCL_128]

Excellent posts, Rez!

 

[pilotyip]

so what is the answer?

Excellent posts, Rez!

OK guys, PLC and Rez, you are so far down the road of unions can do no wrong and managmenent can do no right that is difficult to understand where you are coming from. I always thought I was a middle of the road union realist, having been a union member at two airlines. But for you two saying anything that is not 100% anti-management and 100% pro-union is attacked as not deserving the time of day. Unions have tremendous power to destroy, however no one is allowed to have any opinion but yours. So for your best shot asume congress pases the most pro-labour laws ever conceived, going back to FDR days. What would you guys make your airline do? Now remember your goal will be to keep everyone employed at higher eages with more days off without faising fares that would chase people buying tickets to non-union airlines. You know like NWA, UAL, DAL did in the late 90's. Come tell us all what union utopia will be like.