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johnsonrod

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Now that the Delta/USAirways asset/slot swap at LGA and DCA seems to be in jeopardy (thanks to Sen. Schumer and his cronies), what will likely happen to PDT's LGA operation? Will it remain the same (status quo with same destinations and frequencies) or will it change? Any rumors or thoughts? What's the latest info?

Good luck to all involved!
 
i almost think you could probably google the answer to this question by now, its out there. Its certainly on this forum.

No deal = "status quo"
 
I was looking forward to never seeing those da*n turbo-props ever again at LGA. Why can't anything good ever happen in this industry?
 
I think we can all agree RJ's are the exact opposite of "good" that happened to this industry.

If I woke up and heard that every RJ disappeared from the face of the planet would be the happiest day of my life!!! But at least they don't hold me up as much!
 
If I woke up and heard that every RJ disappeared from the face of the planet would be the happiest day of my life!!! But at least they don't hold me up as much!

If that bothers you, then you must work for a company that doesn't have block or better.
 
If I woke up and heard that every RJ disappeared from the face of the planet would be the happiest day of my life!!! But at least they don't hold me up as much!

Hold you up from what? Are you that much of a hurry to see you boyfriend?
 
If I woke up and heard that every RJ disappeared from the face of the planet would be the happiest day of my life!!! But at least they don't hold me up as much!

I call horse manure on that one. Everyone gets slowed to 170 anyway.
 
If I woke up and heard that every RJ disappeared from the face of the planet would be the happiest day of my life!!! But at least they don't hold me up as much!

Yup... Absolute horsesh*t.

If I had a dime for every time I got slowed down in my Dash for a jet of some sort on final, I'd have enough money to buy you an arse whoopin' and I'd have change left over for coffee and a donut.
 
If that bothers you, then you must work for a company that doesn't have block or better.

ATC can't move traffic on time on a good day, let alone when a could appears in the sky. So I just choose to go as fast as the aircraft was designed to go and get out of the airspace as quickly as possible. I mean people travel by air to save time. And these airlines want us to dick around at .72? Gimme a break!
 
ATC can't move traffic on time on a good day, let alone when a could appears in the sky. So I just choose to go as fast as the aircraft was designed to go and get out of the airspace as quickly as possible. I mean people travel by air to save time. And these airlines want us to dick around at .72? Gimme a break!

Well that all made sense! Why after reading that do suddenly feel like a M.I.T. Graduate!
 
ATC can't move traffic on time on a good day, let alone when a could appears in the sky. So I just choose to go as fast as the aircraft was designed to go and get out of the airspace as quickly as possible. I mean people travel by air to save time. And these airlines want us to dick around at .72? Gimme a break!

If Dash pilots flew the -8 as fast as it was designed to, the arrival rate would double. Faster approach speeds, and less time on the runway. Unfortunately we gotta wait for the RJ's using 8000 feet of runway because they float and can't stop very well.
 
ATC can't move traffic on time on a good day, let alone when a could appears in the sky. So I just choose to go as fast as the aircraft was designed to go and get out of the airspace as quickly as possible. I mean people travel by air to save time. And these airlines want us to dick around at .72? Gimme a break!

Huh? The way you wrote that makes no sense whatsoever, but I will take a swipe at it anyway...

Many PDT folks who have been around for a while could back me up on this: Y'all remember when we used to do CLT-FAY? We used to depart about the same time as a mainline Dutch Oven (Fokker 100) that was going to FAY as well. We beat them almost every time. Why? We went low and direct, more or less. They flew way the heck up over RDU to get higher and burn less gas. The moral of the story? On shorter stage lengths cruise speed is not the sole determinant of block time. The same is still true today, LGA-PHL and PHL-ABE come to mind. The block times are the same. The speed only makes a difference on longer routes.

Oh yeah, the other night up in the northeast, when all the jets were canceling flights due to the high winds, the dashes were still safely (albeit not comfortably!) transporting their passengers to and from PHL and LGA. The 36 knot crosswind limitation is nice, and so is the big rudder!
 
Huh? The way you wrote that makes no sense whatsoever, but I will take a swipe at it anyway...

Many PDT folks who have been around for a while could back me up on this: Y'all remember when we used to do CLT-FAY? We used to depart about the same time as a mainline Dutch Oven (Fokker 100) that was going to FAY as well. We beat them almost every time. Why? We went low and direct, more or less. They flew way the heck up over RDU to get higher and burn less gas. The moral of the story? On shorter stage lengths cruise speed is not the sole determinant of block time. The same is still true today, LGA-PHL and PHL-ABE come to mind. The block times are the same. The speed only makes a difference on longer routes.

Oh yeah, the other night up in the northeast, when all the jets were canceling flights due to the high winds, the dashes were still safely (albeit not comfortably!) transporting their passengers to and from PHL and LGA. The 36 knot crosswind limitation is nice, and so is the big rudder!

Hell, even BAL-RDU we took off just in front of the SouthWest flight to RDU. They would touch down right in front of us. If it wasn't for the SouthWest Taxi Speed we woulda bet them to the gate :-) Q400 would have dusted it on that flight.
 
Why are we even discussing this? We get paid Block or Better! Hell, Flying Low and Slow =$$$$$$$$$$
 
Last week the TD said that they have been shifting flying south to prepare for this deal and now all that flying is going strait back to LGA to cover the slots. Not that the TD has any relevance here as they also blew upgrade smoke up my ass.
 
Last week the TD said that they have been shifting flying south to prepare for this deal and now all that flying is going strait back to LGA to cover the slots. Not that the TD has any relevance here as they also blew upgrade smoke up my ass.

Reading many of you're previous post do you honestly believe you're upgrade material??? Coincidence??? I think not.
 
Well that all made sense! Why after reading that do suddenly feel like a M.I.T. Graduate!

Do you mean.....Why after reading that do I suddenly feel like an M.I.T Graduate?

People never cease to amaze me and seem to just lower the bar for humanity with each passing second.
 
Reading many of you're previous post do you honestly believe you're upgrade material??? Coincidence??? I think not.

Well i do believe being at a regional airline over 5 years qualifies you to try to upgrade...

Maybe I am maybe not but I heard today that they are talking about letting the downgrades come back without putting out a bid to everyone else...

Dont F with me surf your truck is next to mine in the lot!!
 
Delta and US Airways will divest 12% of the takeoff and landing slots included in a previously-announced slot transfer at New York-LaGuardia and Washington-Reagan National airports. The transfers to four airlines are contingent upon Federal Aviation Administration approval and the subsequent closing of the originally proposed Delta-US Airways transaction, Delta said in a release Monday.

In comments filed with the FAA Monday, Delta said it has reached agreements with AirTran Airways, Spirit Airlines, and WestJet to transfer up to five pairs each of takeoff and landing slots at New York-LaGuardia. In a separate transaction, US Airways has agreed to transfer five pairs of slots at Washington-Reagan National to JetBlue Airways.

AirTran, Spirit, WestJet and JetBlue are each considered limited incumbents or new entrant airlines by the FAA at these airports. In Monday’s filings, the four airlines urged the government to approve the proposed Delta-US Airways slot transaction.

Under Delta and US Airways’ original proposal, US Airways would transfer 125 operating slot pairs to Delta at New York-LaGuardia and Delta would transfer 42 operating slot pairs to US Airways at Washington-Reagan National, Delta’s release said. US Airways also would gain access to São Paulo and Tokyo-Narita.

“As we announced last fall, the additional slots we aim to acquire at LaGuardia would enable us to significantly expand our operation by increasing the number of customers served at each takeoff and landing slot, allow more passengers to travel through New York’s preferred airport each year and preserve or expand service for customers in small- and medium-sized communities throughout New York and the Northeast,” said Gail Grimmett, s.v.p.-New York, said in a memo to employees thanking them for their support. “Upon receiving government approval, we would immediately begin a multimillion dollar construction program at LaGuardia to connect the existing Delta and US Airways terminals and enhance the airport experience for customers.”

With the new six-way agreement, Delta would operate an additional 110 slot pairs at New York-LaGuardia; AirTran, Spirit and WestJet would obtain five slot pairs each at New York-LaGuardia from Delta; US Airways would acquire 37 slot pairs at Washington-Reagan National; JetBlue would gain five slot pairs from US Airways at Washington-Reagan National; and US Airways would gain access to São Paulo and Tokyo.

“Delta has a lot to offer to the New York market,” Gail said. “In the last five years we have boosted our economic impact in the region to more than $13 billion annually, created more than 2,000 new jobs, added more than 30 new international routes and made significant new investments in New York charities and sponsorships. Expanding LaGuardia is another step in positioning Delta as the leading airline in New York City.”
 
Damn it all to hell...................

HOW is it a good deal to give away 125 slots and only get 30 in return??????????? Sure Sao Paulo is nice but we'll NEVER go to Tokyo! We didnt even bid on the Haneda slots.......

No wonder Doug was so cool with his status quo remark in CLT. He is only good at spewing garbage......

I hope all the rampies quit the day this gets approved!
 

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