172driver
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...the fact is most ALPA regionals would be better off with Skywest pay and workrules...That is a fact....
Who is "lifting" the industry?
Nobody. It's sinking.
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...the fact is most ALPA regionals would be better off with Skywest pay and workrules...That is a fact....
Who is "lifting" the industry?
....most of the downward pressure on 70-90 seat rates comes from fellow ALPA carriers....Both "regional" and "mainline"....It isn't coming from Skywest.....
The downward pressure from SkyWest comes in their "override" arrangement of flight pay for larger equipment. Their large CRJ pay rates are just smoke screen to make it look like they are paid on industry terms.
Stifler,
I ask the question because I think working for a good company trumps ALPA representation…..The ALPA chest-thumpers seem to value ALPA over good management….I value good management over ALPA….Yes in a perfect world you have both….but this isn’t a perfect world…..
PCL_128 is an ALPA cheerleader and he says he would rather work for Mesa than for Skywest…..That hurts the cause of ALPA as any intelligent person would rather work for Skywest than for Mesa…..
Your right that we are now seeing the benefits of Skywest here at ASA….This is one of the reasons I formed the ASACoalition and pushed ALPA to settle the contract…..
The positive benefits of Skywest weren’t going to come about until the contract was settled….Some of the “hardliners” were holding out for much more and that simply wasn’t going to happen in this environment, and holding out for the “holy grail” of contracts was unreasonable and harmful…..
As to your question…..I would rather work at ASA…but that is because of the seniority system…..not because of ALPA….
If I was going to start at the bottom of either…I would probably choose Skywest…..Skywest Inc. is in the drivers seat….not ALPA….We need to understand that….
ALPA could be a lot more than it is….
and it could be stronger than it is…..
If you get Danny or Newie aside they will tell you that ALPA has screwed up on the scope issue……
Both were closet supporters of RJDC….What does that tell you? Why are we having to sue our own union over DFR issues?
The legal and aero medical parts of ALPA are good…..but they aren’t worth the 2% we pay….Most of what we pay goes for collective bargaining and we don’t get our money’s worth there…..ALPA needs a better argument than “the legal and aero medical are good”….Why isn’t the collective bargaining up to par?
I am looking for more than an “insurance policy”….I am looking for COLLECTIVE bargaining….there isn’t anything “collective” about ALPA in it’s current form….
Sorry guys, this one's been debated before. We all know Joey's and PCL's particular positions.
Any chance we could go back to sharing opinions on what will happen to the stepchildren after the forced marriage?
Odd, normally the kids go through trauma after a divorce, not a marriage...
It's going to be a free for all......and it is going to be ugly.....
Now do you want to discuss how your union has been negligent in allowing this free for all to happen.....or do you just want your PIC time and want to go to a real airline like most of the current pilots.....
The only thing PCL, Rez, and I agree on is that most of you really don't want to get involved in the process....What are YOU doing to influence things?
Of course I'd like to discuss how ALPA was negligent and ineffective in producing the current situation. I'd also like to discuss how the current top third of every regional seniority list influenced the current situation. Frankly, I think that they are both relevant, and, causes of the current situation.