Furoughs at Midwest

[b82rez]

Furloughs at Midwest

Midwest met with the MEC today to discuss impending furloughs.

The numbers will be announced as early as friday. They did not provide an estimate of how many it could be.

 

[Shrek]

Sorry to hear that........good luck to all the Midwest folks.

 

[meigwo]

So glad we kept evil AirTran outa' here!

Midwest met with the MEC today to discuss impending furloughs.

The numbers will be announced as early as friday. They did not provide an estimate of how many it could be.

 

[GOULET!]

Don't think this is unexpected by anybody at Midwest. Let's all keep our fingers crossed that the number is low.

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

So glad we kept evil AirTran outa' here!

I thought Timmy had a plan????????????????????????? Oh ya let's sell the hedges we have!!!

 

[FlyWolf]

TH made his 10 Mil, he doesn't care.

 

[1800 RVR]

Having been a two-time Midwest furloughee, I feel for you folks. Sounds like TH and his gang of cronies is doing it again. Run away and never look back... Sorry to those that may be affected.

 

[GOULET!]

I find it hard to believe they will furlough 100 pilots. That is around 1/3 of the list. How many airplanes would they have to park if they drop 100 pilots? My guess is no more than 50 on furlough...hope its less than that though to my Midwest brothers.

 

[FlyWolf]

thanks Goulet, I know you are no stranger to this management crap, I hope you are right though and the number of furlough will be low, we will know as soon as Friday.

All the best.

 

[WRENCH]

Sorry Guys. First it was "SKYWAYED" and now it's "MIDWESTED." Good luck to all, I wish you nothing but the best.

 

[ultrarunner]

Don't think this is unexpected by anybody at Midwest. Let's all keep our fingers crossed that the number is low.

A low number wouldn't make sense, would it?

MidEx runs 10 bodies per plane, on average between the two fleets. Not sure how it breaks down between fleets. But you could look at the loaded schedules and see the amount of hours cut and determine how many planes will get parked, etc...and come up with a number.

I can't imagine they would park any 717's...but you never know. I guess I wouldn't be surprised to see them park 10 of the 80's. But if you did that, and only operated 5, I don't think you'd have the revenue to justify the training costs for such a small fleet.

I'm guessing parking all the 80's, giving up that flying to 'you know who', and keeping the 717's for the short-haul stuff.

Uhhhggg.....

 

[Taildragon]

A low number wouldn't make sense, would it?

MidEx runs 10 bodies per plane, on average between the two fleets. Not sure how it breaks down between fleets. But you could look at the loaded schedules and see the amount of hours cut and determine how many planes will get parked, etc...and come up with a number.

I can't imagine they would park any 717's...but you never know. I guess I wouldn't be surprised to see them park 10 of the 80's. But if you did that, and only operated 5, I don't think you'd have the revenue to justify the training costs for such a small fleet.

I'm guessing parking all the 80's, giving up that flying to 'you know who', and keeping the 717's for the short-haul stuff.

Uhhhggg.....

We don't do things that make sense. It will be a relatively low number I believe. (read hope)

 

[eightdriver]

This just in.... 35 furloughs and 22 downgrades. They must be parking something. Let the good times roll... 8

 

[ultrarunner]

Man, this sucks....some folks are looking at their third furlough in 7 years....

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

I heard that they are parking 717's because they can't change the seats out fast enough if that makes sense.

 

[ultrarunner]

Naaaa....you don't furlough while you're waiting to swap out seats.

Whats the economic break-even for a furlough? 18 months?

 

[eightdriver]

Man, this sucks....some folks are looking at their third furlough in 7 years....

Nobody that was furloughed back in 2001 and 2003 is getting let go... These are new hires, this time round. 8

 

[FlyWolf]

Very sad news indeed, so much for saving us from Airtran.

 

[CitationLover]

Very sad news indeed, so much for saving us from Airtran.

well in LGA we determined HSBC stands for Hoeksema Sucks Big C#$%.

 

[FlyWolf]

going to the meeting tomorrow citation

 

[eightdriver]

Yep, the cobra strikes again... This is just the first step in NWA dismembering is little blue toy in MKE. I wasn't a fan of AT but I new the cobra would be worse... 8

 

[Captainjerky]

Skyway'ed

Sorry Guys. First it was "SKYWAYED" and now it's "MIDWESTED." Good luck to all, I wish you nothing but the best.

Damn, I'm going to miss being able to say I've been Skyway'ed... Course, I'll miss ripping on Uncle Timmy and Baghdad Carol, too. Ahhh, good times. Maybe the next Skyway/Midwest Air Group party should be on Timmy's front lawn? I notice his address is unpublished- I wonder why...
When the first Skywest plane showed up on Skyway's ramp, we all joked that they'd be replacing Skyway soon. Then they'd go on and replace MidEx's 80's with big CRJs... All that joking seems way too real now. Best of luck to you MidEx guys and gals...

 

[FlyWolf]

or Midwasted

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Flywolf -- are they furloughing FAs too? I know someone there.

Good luck -- I have had the pleasure of a Midwest ride once, all bathed in cookie odor and snuggled up in a big, comfy leather recliner. Nice people, nice product.

 

[GOULET!]

Is the number posted of 35 furlough and 22 downgrades seem to be an accurate number? Midwest management makes me sick to my stomach. I hope there are some serious calls to have him ousted after this latest announcement. Hate to say it but there is no way parking airplanes and furloughing pilots will bring Midwest back to profitability.

 

[Jetjockey]

Is the number posted of 35 furlough and 22 downgrades seem to be an accurate number? Midwest management makes me sick to my stomach. I hope there are some serious calls to have him ousted after this latest announcement. Hate to say it but there is no way parking airplanes and furloughing pilots will bring Midwest back to profitability.

You're right on. No airline has ever shrunk to [FONT=&quot]Profitability. Sorry to hear about the furloughs. [/FONT]

 

[Propsync]

I hope there are some serious calls to have him ousted after this latest announcement.

It looks like they aren't going to replace him, I would have thought they'd done it already. If this is going where I think it is, unless he quits, TPG/(eventually just NW) is going to make him be around for each and every downer of an announcement. He still gets paid, which sucks, but he can address every one of the lies he sold to the public, which to me is priceless. I'd torture the hell out of him while he's still there.

Side note, saw somewhere Atkin flew in yesterday or today about this. Wonder how Skywest will play in all of this.

 

[Jetjockey]

Someone will have to pick up that flying. Probably will be Skywest.

 

[Propsync]

Maybe, unless they start parking 80's, which will shuffle the route network like playing 52 card pickup. Everything west would stop in MCI. Less seats, one more cycle, more fuel burned. If the 717 had more than 'nubs' for legs, I think things would be different. Good thing they always make the right fleet choices. Makes times like these super-easy.

 

[Ty Webb]

Sorry to hear it, guys, and I mean that sincerely, in spite of the acrimony that occurred during the merger/takeover attempt.

I would, however, love to hear Baghdad Carol explain how this is better than what AirTran offered. Let her earn that $1 Mil. bonus.

Clearly, the numbers that TH was spouting were sheer fantasy and sleight-of-hand, designed to protect his job, at the expense of both the employees and the shareholders. How that naked attempt didn't warrant the close scrutiny of shareholders, watchdogs and the SEC is a mystery to me.

Good luck, Guys, and this, too, shall pass.

TW