Furloughees not Welcome?

[Fly767]

I'm beginning to wonder if being a UAL furloughee is preventing me from getting a job at a decent company. I see that most companies won't interview me, or they offer such piss poor pay that I'd be working for free. I basically feel that I'll patiently wait out a 10 year furlough at UAL, while working outside aviation, or adios to aviation altogether. Sure flying is great, but so is job security. As a civilian, going back to the military isn't an option.
It's a sad day when Home Depot pays more than being a pilot.

 

[Midnight Mike]

I do not think that being UAL furloughee would prevent another airline from interviewing you. When Polar was interviewing pilots for the 747 classes, there were plenty of guys from United as well as US Air. Polar will ask you to give up your senority # if hired....

I could be wrong, who knows...



Mike

 

[Icebergclub]

Atlas Air just hired back several pilots that are on furlough from various airlines AND they were NOT asked to give up there senority number.

Fly Safe,
Icebergclub

 

[KC-10 Driver]

I personally know US Airways, United, Delta and America West furloughees at JetBlue. It is possible for us furloughees to move on. Keep plugging, and it'll happen.

 

[CoopDog]

Ditto for SWA

Hang in there. Get your app into SWA. There are many of us shriveled up furloughees from U and UAL in the SWA pool. Those two industry leaders threw us out soon enough to dive in. The water's a little murky, but there are quite a few very upstanding fine aviators doing laps here.

We'll certainly make room (and they are as we read this) for some more nice folks to join in and have some fun.

My advice, if you haven't done it already, is get your WIA funding and go get your type and drop them a line. Good luck.

 

[Lumber Yak]

Well, we all know that Freedom is hiring furloughees (I read that US Airways furloughees are there)... I just think that wouldn't be a popular choice - although flying CRJ-700 and 900s wouldn't be bad. Still Freedom is not a good choice - if you go there, don't expect to fly anything else for the rest of your career...

 

[HA25]

Well, we all know that Freedom is hiring furloughees (I read that US Airways furloughees are there)... I just think that wouldn't be a popular choice - although flying CRJ-700 and 900s wouldn't be bad. Still Freedom is not a good choice - if you go there, don't expect to fly anything else for the rest of your career...

Don't Do it!
(unless your in your 50's or something)

ALPA on Freedom

 

[reepicheep]

Fly767 may not qualify for some of the companies mentioned (1000 PIC Turbine?). Or they simply may not interview him. The line for jetBLue is out the door. Same for NetJets. Alaska and FedEx are options only with a very solid inside connection. Southwest may interiview him - when; in 2004? What about the meantime. And, if he tries for a corporate or charter job, their eyes tend to glaze over as soon as they see he's an airline pilots.

I work (barely) for US Airways, and we have lots and lots of furloughees going through exactly the same situation. Good luck to you!

 

[acaTerry]

Come on Over

ACA is taking furloughees. They ask for a 3 years gentlemens agreement, which you may have anyway the things look now. Give it a try...

 

[blzr]

Hey Fly767, just out of curiosity, how much did those job offers pay? I am a third year f/O at U.S. Air Express making barely $25k. and flying 17-20 days a month and an average of 85 legs a month. It really does suck down here in the trenches, but that seems to be the future of aviation.

I also thought that UAL would take a page from U.S. Air and inplement JETS FOR JOBS. Basically a flow back program for furloughees that we HAVE to hire and pay them captains wages no matter which seat they fall into. (even though we in the commuter world were not preferentially hired by mainline, we have to preferentially hire them)

I hate the fact that I will probably never make it to a major and make six figures, but that is due to the fact that companies using contract carriers that pay, in some cases, minimum wage. Management has seen the willingness of some people to fly for nothing, so don't be suprised when management finds out that there are pilots out there that will fly a 767 for $80/hour.

Good luck to you.

 

[HA25]

Hey Fly767, just out of curiosity, how much did those job offers pay? I am a third year f/O at U.S. Air Express making barely $25k. and flying 17-20 days a month and an average of 85 legs a month. It really does suck down here in the trenches, but that seems to be the future of aviation.

I also thought that UAL would take a page from U.S. Air and inplement JETS FOR JOBS. Basically a flow back program for furloughees that we HAVE to hire and pay them captains wages no matter which seat they fall into. (even though we in the commuter world were not preferentially hired by mainline, we have to preferentially hire them)

I hate the fact that I will probably never make it to a major and make six figures, but that is due to the fact that companies using contract carriers that pay, in some cases, minimum wage. Management has seen the willingness of some people to fly for nothing, so don't be suprised when management finds out that there are pilots out there that will fly a 767 for $80/hour.

Good luck to you.

We pilots are our own worse enemies... I wish there was some kind of nationalized union for all Commercial and above pilots who work in aviation...

They should make a "recommended" pay scale for all seats and jobs (i.e. CFI, MEI, FO CE550, CPT E120 etc...) Anyone who pays less than the "recommended" pay.... should be defacto barred as an employer... and anyone who works from them should be treated (not quite like a scab) like a sell out and not rewarded with better opportunities...

It's would be a good thing for us with all this supply of labor around, before we know it, this will be a 3rd tear career like cars salesman or landscaper.

 

[hogdriver00]

national union

We pilots are our own worse enemies... I wish there was some kind of nationalized union for all Commercial and above pilots who work in aviation


National Pilots Teamsters Union. Would we be able to break kneecaps too.

A union is not the answer. Unions got the industry to this point.

Hog

 

[TrumanSparks]

Fractionals will Hire

I know FlexJet will hire a furloughee without making them give up their number. I've think Netjets and Options will do the same. Rumor is Flex might hire as many as 150 in 03.

Best of Luck,

 

[HA25]

Re: national union

We pilots are our own worse enemies... I wish there was some kind of nationalized union for all Commercial and above pilots who work in aviation


National Pilots Teamsters Union. Would we be able to break kneecaps too.

A union is not the answer. Unions got the industry to this point.

Hog

I totally and respectfully disagree...

the economy and other factors like deregulation are what go us here... the unions (many non pilot unions included I will agree)... but ALPA and APA have been nothing but professionals thru the good times and bad. Case study: United ALPA and their leadership in helping UAL recover from the economic troubles their management got them into with large debts structured such that they need boom times just to make their payments!

 

[DarnNearaJet]

Re: national union

[
A union is not the answer. Unions got the industry to this point.

Hog [/B]

What kind of warped crack-logic is that?

Sure, we'd all be better off without unions. Just ask the guys who work for most non-union carriers.

 

[HA25]

Re: Re: national union

What kind of warped crack-logic is that?

Sure, we'd all be better off without unions. Just ask the guys who work for most non-union carriers.

sometimes on the board, I wonder if I'm really talking with a pilot of some plant from a company's management. These guys who think unions are a problem should read up on ALPA's history and see what being a pilot was like back in the days of non-union airlines..

 

[acaTerry]

but...

...but I like the idea of breaking kneecaps! Sorry, it's the "ex"-Marine in me. I like breaking things, as long as it's not an airplane.

 

[DarnNearaJet]

Re: Re: Re: national union

sometimes on the board, I wonder if I'm really talking with a pilot of some plant from a company's management. These guys who think unions are a problem should read up on ALPA's history and see what being a pilot was like back in the days of non-union airlines..

V70T5
I think you may have mistaken my sarcasm for actual opinion.
I was pointing out the absurdity of blaming unions for the current mess we're in.

 

[HA25]

Re: Re: Re: Re: national union

V70T5
I think you may have mistaken my sarcasm for actual opinion.
I was pointing out the absurdity of blaming unions for the current mess we're in.

No, not at all.... I got your point, I was refering to the above poster (hog or something) that sounded more like a DO, or airline VP than a pilot looking to improve his career and the career of other pilots. I hit the wrong "quote" button, that's all..

I am totally on the same sheet of music as you pal..

 

[stb]

With over 1000 rjs and...

more to be ordered by USAirways and United, that will be the plane most pilots will retire flying making $70,000.

Talking to a Delta pilot and he is worried that the MD-80's will be gone in a couple of years due to the 700's and soon to be 900's flown by Comair and ASA. Smaller planes but more frequency. Look at what Delta is doing in DFW.

Delta has 300 more rjs on order or option for Comair and ASA pilots to fly.