Frontier Pilots, Is this true?

[AnimalTale]

You mean like Norway?.....One of the richest countries in the world. Yes they pay high taxes but, income after taxes is still way above ours. Longer life spans. Less money spent on health care which is fully covered by the govt. Oh and they have plenty of gas but they tax it so much people don't wast it by driving SUVs or the likes and therefore are completely independent of needing middle east oil.

Meanwhile - we are all working ourselves to death, so we can fill our 16 mpg SUVs with gas. Meanwhile, the Saudis then take the profits and buy up the assets of our country. We are sending these oil rich countries over 2% of our GDP ever year. Only a matter of time till our debt and other problems catch up to us; great planning Mr. Bush!!! Whats Mcain's great answer: drill more. Nope that won't help either, our biggest oil reserve is located in our driveways!!!! Support a gas tax so we can decrease oils demand.

Then go live in Norway. Enjoy.

CYA

 

[Max Powers]

Then go live in Norway. Enjoy.

CYA

Wish I could my man but I'm an American citizen so I shall work on changing this place one idiot at a time.

 

[MountainFreak]

Not personal but there is some truth to what you say except if you have some time read a book by Ayn Rand called "Anthem". It is very short (60 pages). If u like it get "FOUNTAIN HEAD" and then read "ATLAS SHRUGGED".

Tell me what u think in a PM. I believe in a balance because too much capitalism breeds greed and too much socialism breeds communism.

BTW, those books are pretty good. They are fiction based on some truth.

CYA

I concur about Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged. I don't really believe in Rand's theories much, but her books are great and they make you think.

Also agree about needing a balance. You need personal incentive for capitalism, but you need to keep the greedy airline CEO's in check too

 

[Cornelius]

Norway gets all there money from oil rigs off their coast lines so they can do whatever they want. The Us economy is in shambles, wait a minute I thought we were talking about F9.

 

[NuGuy]

Norway gets all there money from oil rigs off their coast lines so they can do whatever they want. The Us economy is in shambles, wait a minute I thought we were talking about F9.

WAIT? WHAT! Drilling off the coast? How dare they! Think of the seals!!!

Nu

 

[kc81900]

You mean like Norway?.....One of the richest countries in the world. Yes they pay high taxes but, income after taxes is still way above ours. Longer life spans. Less money spent on health care which is fully covered by the govt. Oh and they have plenty of gas but they tax it so much people don't wast it by driving SUVs or the likes and therefore are completely independent of needing middle east oil.

Meanwhile - we are all working ourselves to death, so we can fill our 16 mpg SUVs with gas. Meanwhile, the Saudis then take the profits and buy up the assets of our country. We are sending these oil rich countries over 2% of our GDP ever year. Only a matter of time till our debt and other problems catch up to us; great planning Mr. Bush!!! Whats Mcain's great answer: drill more. Nope that won't help either, our biggest oil reserve is located in our driveways!!!! Support a gas tax so we can decrease oils demand.

Holy Crap I can't believe what I am reading. Tax us more and that will answer all of our problems. When and where has the goverment ever been the answer. When has the gov't ever spent a dime efficiently. You honestly think giving the gov't more $$$$ and let them take over our health care fuel usage etc... is going to work. You obviously went to a liberal college and were taught by professors that never held a real job. They never worked in the free market system and think all things work according to theory. Communism does not work and socialism doesn't work either. They only produce stagnation and mediocre results.

And such talk so near the fourth of July shame on you.

 

[kc81900]

Wish I could my man but I'm an American citizen so I shall work on changing this place one idiot at a time.

Start with yourself. All should fall into place after that.

 

[clippyrip]

Socialism doesn't work either. They only produce stagnation and mediocre results.

How about the police force and the fire department? They are socialism at work and most don't complain about them. Matter of fact, I think we would be fine with a few less cops. Hows that for shrinking government....

 

[yellowfever]

You mean like Norway?.....One of the richest countries in the world. Yes they pay high taxes but, income after taxes is still way above ours. Longer life spans. Less money spent on health care which is fully covered by the govt. Oh and they have plenty of gas but they tax it so much people don't wast it by driving SUVs or the likes and therefore are completely independent of needing middle east oil.

Meanwhile - we are all working ourselves to death, so we can fill our 16 mpg SUVs with gas. Meanwhile, the Saudis then take the profits and buy up the assets of our country. We are sending these oil rich countries over 2% of our GDP ever year. Only a matter of time till our debt and other problems catch up to us; great planning Mr. Bush!!! Whats Mcain's great answer: drill more. Nope that won't help either, our biggest oil reserve is located in our driveways!!!! Support a gas tax so we can decrease oils demand.

I think natural resources have more to do with their wealth than their government. We have a much larger country in terms of square miles and have a much larger population. They have to travel what....200 miles to cross their country. Not as much need for oil, yet they drill lots of oil per capita. Way to blame it on the president though...nice!

 

[USMC319]

Dear Frontier Pilots,

One of my FOs told me a story from one of his F9 buddies that Frontier's financial health is so dire they have begun asking pilots to put hotel costs for company overnights on their own private credit cards in some instances and will be reimbursed later. The story was that hotels were no longer honoring the F9 contracts as they feared they would not get paid if they went Ch 9 (which would occur if they did go Ch 9).
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Chase,

Did you forget to log-off? This is nothing but pure flame-bait, and I know you are a better man than that. You know better than to post this kind of garbage.

 

[chase]

Animal Tale & others offended,

My apologies if my question was offensive in anyway. The stories from the F9 pilots on here have clearly shown the story as told to my FO by others was not indicative of a widespread problem and if it occurred was at the most a one time event, if even that.

Did something happen at one or two hotels immediately after the Ch 11 announcement that was very isolated? It certainly was possible and from the stories of others who have experienced it from other airlines, highly probable. However, F9 is paying their hotel bills and nothing widespread is occurring....that is the story to be told IMHO.

I've never been through bankruptcy (thank goodnees) and don't know what the standard practices (good and bad are). It appears this has been a practice at other airlines going through similiar experiences....again this is very foreign to me and was also news to me. My lack of experience in living through something like this came through....no offense meant in asking the question.

My goal was to shoot down the rumor with facts and now I have much more information to do that intelligently with.

Again my apologies if asking a question I wanted to get the facts on was offensive to those who work for F9.

The employees of F9 are wonderful folks that I have met and deserve much better in terms of their future and job prospects. Their culture is on par with the best that is out there. Their willingness in these few instances to keep things afloat and other sacrifices is indicative of that spirit.

I wish them all nothing but smooth skies and hope they all prosper in what is no doubt very difficult times.

 

[Newf Dog]

CHASE,

Thanks for the reply. I"m still surprised that a guy of your caliber would post crap like this...but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt based on your past reputation.

Let's put to rest another stupid rumor...one I heard from a "concerned" SWA pilot, even though he was telling everyone within earshot:

The rumor is that F9 can't pay for it's fuel on credit and that captains are being given envelopes of cash to pay for fuel. I'm sorry to risk potentially spreading another rumor but this kind of nonsense has to be dealt with. THESE RUMORS ARE PURE BS!!! Besides, any captain worth his salt would blow the whole stash in the hotel bar on the first overnight.

Our flights are full, our morale is good (surprisingly so under the circumstances), everyone I fly with is working their animal tail off, our operational numbers are the best that they've ever been, and as far as I can tell you wouldn't know we're in bankruptcy were it not for it being a topic of conversation. Most of the passengers with whom I've spoken are still booking ahead on Frontier and have full faith in the company.

Having said all that it all comes down to the price of oil and the creditors committee. Anything can happen. ALL OTHER RUMORS ARE PURE BS!!!

 

[Newf Dog]

Posted by MAX POWERS:

"Oh and they have plenty of gas but they tax it so much people don't wast it by driving SUVs or the likes and therefore are completely independent of needing middle east oil….

Whats Mcain's great answer: drill more. Nope that won't help either."



Max,

You neglected one very important fact and by doing so you don't realize, or have chosen to ignore the contradiction in your post:

Norway gets it's oil ("they have plenty of gas") from offshore drilling. They are the world's third largest oil exporter and seventh largest oil producer. "


"Today Norway sits on approximately half of the remaining reserves of oil and gas in Europe. It covers 10 per cent of Europe's gas consumption and within a few years will increase gas exports dramatically and account for 30 per cent of European gas imports."---

Jan Hagland,
Director of Information for the Norwegian Petroleum Directorate

MAX, they got all that oil and gas from drilling, offshore, it wasn't provided by magical Trolls. But you knew that didn't you.

Newf,

A proud member of the Norwegian-American community

 

[starchkr]

Chase, technically it is true, but only on a limited scale and ONLY right after the BK filing. A quick call to our company people quickly fixed the problem with the hotels and the fuel vendors, and as far as i know, not a dime came out of any pilots pocket to pay for company expenses.

kc81900, you stated "professors that never held a real job", are you trying to tell me that the educators in this country are not holding "real" jobs? What kind of horse$hit is that?! You sound like one of those people that does not think a good education is worth it's weight in gold. Wake up brotha', teachers are more important than you or i. Our industry can be replaced by a bus any day, try replacing your childrens education with a "bus" and see what happens.
...sorry, just had to protect the educators out there who don't hold "real" jobs!...

 

[chase]

Starch & Newf,

I told the FO at the time it was hard to believe but when he said an F9 pilot friend of his told him that I simply acknowledge it and shrugged my shoulders.

Again my intent was to get the fact and I got them.

I too have seen great morale and spirit from the F9 pilots I've encountered. I wish them all well and thanks for the respectful reply even if my question may have seen disrespectful.

FI performs a valuable source of getting rumors dismissed as quickly as they grow...you've dispelled this one. thanks.